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September 20, 2010
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1:19 am
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Mod_Mary:
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Okay! On we go! Welcome, Lorie... friend and co-moderator, veterinarian in the beautiful North east.. #barkoutloud |
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1:19 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@Mod_Mary Thanks Mary. #barkoutloud |
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1:20 am
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TheSophDog:
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Welcome, Lorie, and thanks for covering this topic! #barkoutloud |
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1:20 am
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Mod_Hilary:
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Ready? Here we go! Q1. What nutrients are necessary in the diet? #barkoutloud |
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1:20 am
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LorieAHuston:
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A1a. Six important nutrients: water, protein, fat, carbohydrates, vitamins, minerals #barkoutloud |
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1:20 am
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LorieAHuston:
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A1b. All play important roles in the diet. #barkoutloud |
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1:20 am
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LorieAHuston:
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A1c. The content of each in the diet determines whether diet is balanced or not. #barkoutloud |
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1:21 am
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LorieAHuston:
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A1d. Too much info to cover each nutrient separately here. #barkoutloud |
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1:21 am
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LorieAHuston:
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A1e. Link to more info about each group of nutrients: http://ow.ly/2GEv2 #barkoutloud |
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1:21 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@LorieAHuston Glad to see you mention carbs as so many believe they are not part of dog diet! #barkoutloud |
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1:21 am
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LorieAHuston:
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A1f. Lots of info there, so maybe bookmark for later. Link will be in transcript also. #barkoutloud |
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1:22 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@Keeping_Awake Carbs are not considered essential cuz can be made from glucose but some can benefit in diet #barkoutloud |
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1:22 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@Keeping_Awake More info on carbs in link: http://ow.ly/2GEv2 #barkoutloud |
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1:23 am
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LorieAHuston:
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Though not absolutely necessary in diet, carbs still play important role in nutrition! #barkoutloud |
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1:23 am
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dogloversdigest:
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? When reading the ingredient list on commercial dog food, are there some things we should look for ? #barkoutloud |
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1:24 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@dogloversdigest Remember 1st ingredients listed are in highest quantity. But have to consider water as part of weight too #barkoutloud |
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1:24 am
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Mod_Mary:
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@LorieAHuston Q2. What factors affect the nutrient needs of an individual dog?
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1:24 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@dogloversdigest Look for AAFCO feeding trials..means actually fed to live dogs, not just formulated from research #barkoutloud |
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1:25 am
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LorieAHuston:
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A2a. Age, activity level, reproductive status, other health issues #barkoutloud |
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1:25 am
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TheSophDog:
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Possibly stupid question: Is water weight an issue in dry dog foods? #barkoutloud |
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1:25 am
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STLSeniorDog:
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@LorieAHuston oh that is good advice!
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1:25 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@TheSophDog Yes, can't compare dry food labels to wet food labels directly because of water difference. Good ? #barkoutloud |
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1:26 am
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TheSophDog:
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Thank you, that answers my question on water weight. #barkoutloud |
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1:26 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@LorieAHuston But also 'Meat' v 'Meat meal', yes? When considering water wt? #barkoutloud |
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1:26 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@TheSophDog :-) #barkoutloud |
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1:27 am
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Mod_Mary:
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By the way, friends, we have a number of nutrition chats coming up... #barkoutloud |
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1:27 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@TheSophDog There are formulas to be able to compare dry vs canned. #barkoutloud |
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1:27 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@Keeping_Awake Yes, correct about meat vs meat meal #barkoutloud |
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1:27 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@LorieAHuston Re: A2: I've found that intact v spayed neutered influences caloric needs. #barkoutloud |
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1:28 am
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Mod_Hilary:
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We have a series. This is basic. RT @Mod_Mary: By the way, friends, we have a number of nutrition chats coming up... #barkoutloud |
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1:28 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@Keeping_Awake Absolutely. Spaying/neutering alters metabolism. Need fewer calories. Good point!! #barkoutloud |
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1:28 am
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Mod_Mary:
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@Keeping_Awake How so? #barkoutloud |
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1:28 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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Meat is 70-80 % water. Meat meals have no water. #barkoutloud |
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1:29 am
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tacrabtree:
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@Keeping_Awake - fixed need fewer calories yes? #barkoutloud |
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1:29 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@Mod_Mary Intact dogs tend to burn somewhere around 20-25% more calories per day. Do not understand why though. #barkoutloud |
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1:30 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@tacrabtree @Keeping_Awake Yes, spayed/neutered dogs need fewer calories #barkoutloud |
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1:30 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@tacrabtree generally, yes. 20-25% less for fixed dogs on avg #barkoutloud |
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1:31 am
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PatrickMahaney:
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@tacrabtree Yes, fewer androgen hormones produced by reproduction organs leads to more fat accumulation, IF overfed/underexercised #barkoutloud |
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1:31 am
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Mod_Hilary:
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So onwards: Q3. Audience: What foods are you feeding and why? #barkoutloud |
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1:32 am
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TheSophDog:
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I feed raw (prey-style) but supplement with Standard Process products per my vet. #barkoutloud |
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1:32 am
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gooddogz:
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got it Q#3 Canadae Not outsourced, best i can afford #barkoutloud |
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1:32 am
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PatrickMahaney:
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A3. I feed #Cardiff defrosted duck/goose meat medallions with home prepared vegetable puree to help manage his #IMHA. #barkoutloud |
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1:33 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@Mod_Mary Canidae ALS, spayed, 9yr old housepet, more meat than carbs. hormone/antibiotic free meats, ind owned, etc. #barkoutloud |
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1:33 am
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Mod_Mary:
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I feed combo of raw, home cooked, some canned (Brandon Farms organic) meat, dairy, bone, veggie #barkoutloud |
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1:33 am
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PatrickMahaney:
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Yay Standard Process! #Cardiff too RT @TheSophDog: I feed raw (prey-style) but supplement with Standard Process products per my vet #barkoutloud |
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1:33 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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All US sourced ingredients, very affordable for quality ( Canidae ALS) #barkoutloud |
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1:33 am
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TheSophDog:
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Should have added dog is healthy English Shepherd (sim. to BC), 7 y.o., male, neutered, active. #barkoutloud |
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1:34 am
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Mod_Mary:
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Wow! A great variety here! Awesome... #barkoutloud |
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1:34 am
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Mod_Hilary:
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Nature's Recipe Senior (because it doesn't have a lot of junk), Royal Canin Urinary OS bc of urinary issues. #barkoutloud |
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1:34 am
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FixItFish:
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natural balance ~ Can, dry & natural balance 'on a string~jimmy dean' style stuff =) #barkoutloud |
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1:34 am
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jawaj52:
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We feed Stetson Pedigree complete. It is what he likes and the cost is good. #barkoutloud |
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1:34 am
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LorieAHuston:
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Thanks all for sharing that info. Anybody else care to tell us what you're feeding and why? #barkoutloud |
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1:34 am
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tacrabtree:
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Nutro Blue - balance for all 3 dogs diff ages & breeds #barkoutloud |
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1:34 am
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STLSeniorDog:
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A3. I feed the blue buffalo wilderness dry food salmon flavor. only thing finally managed to get my rottie to eat, super picky
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1:34 am
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PatrickMahaney:
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A3 I am a big advocate of feeding whole food, less processed foods to help manage chronic disease from a #Chinese med perspective. #barkoutloud |
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1:35 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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My Mom feeds her 6 show dogs Purina One/Purina Pro Plan. Dogs do well on it, affordable. No recalls. #barkoutloud |
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1:35 am
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Mod_Mary:
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Q4. Anybody care to venture a guess about what the #1 nutritional disease is?
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1:35 am
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Mod_Hilary:
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I'm seeing a lot of high quality food here--does that food have more nutrition? #barkoutloud |
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1:35 am
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TheSophDog:
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@PatrickMahaney: I take Standard Process supplements too (not just my canine). Good stuff! :-) #barkoutloud |
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1:35 am
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LorieAHuston:
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Nice cross section here tonight. That's wonderful :-) #barkoutloud |
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1:35 am
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wantmorepuppies:
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Any suggestions for a good brand for a dog who tends to put on weight easily? #barkoutloud |
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1:35 am
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danielbeattydvm:
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I feed BRAVO or Oma's Raw, Standard Process Supplements and Grain-free Kibble #barkoutloud |
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1:35 am
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TheSophDog:
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@PatrickMahaney Whole foods make sense to me. #barkoutloud |
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1:36 am
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fearfuldogs:
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i feed low fat kibble 4 dog w corneal dystrophy. old dog gets Evo red meat w supplements. others get kibble meal & raw meal daily #barkoutloud |
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1:36 am
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gooddogz:
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@STLSeniorDog did you see that Blue Buffalo has made dogs sick recently. Check Pet connection .com #barkoutloud |
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1:36 am
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STLSeniorDog:
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@wantmorepuppies my fiance's lab lost weight and maintained on Nutro the weight large breed one forgot full name #barkoutloud |
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1:36 am
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PatrickMahaney:
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Me too, Boswellia for anti-inflamm RT @TheSophDog: @PatrickMahaney: I take Standard Process supplements too (not just my canine). #barkoutloud |
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1:36 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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Mom goes through 40 pounds every 2 weeks, so price is a factor,balanced w/show performance, breeding, hunting #barkoutloud |
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1:37 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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Mom and I both supplement w/Glyco-Flex III and fish oil #barkoutloud |
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1:37 am
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STLSeniorDog:
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@gooddogz oh no! it really is the only thing the dog will eat, he is now 90 pounds. lost about 25 in the last 4 months :(
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1:37 am
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tacrabtree:
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@wantmorepuppies - I got the "lite" food to try weight control - they ate more of it - not satify their hunger at all #barkoutloud |
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1:38 am
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PatrickMahaney:
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Yay, another #vet feeding raw! RT @danielbeattydvm: I feed BRAVO or Oma's Raw, Standard Process Supplements and Grain-free Kibble #barkoutloud |
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1:38 am
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RatboneRescues:
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@LorieAHuston Wellness Core Ocean formula cuz it's non-grain & is close to raw w/out doing raw #barkoutloud |
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1:38 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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No kibble can provide USABLE Omega 3--destroyed by oxidation and high heat--NEED Omega 3/6/9 supplement if kibble fed #barkoutloud |
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1:38 am
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STLSeniorDog:
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@gooddogz do you have the link? #barkoutloud |
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1:38 am
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tacrabtree:
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@Keeping_Awake - me too with the 3 - 40lbs every 2 weeks $$ diff a consideraton #barkoutloud |
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1:38 am
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Mod_Hilary:
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A3 so does higher quality food have more nutrients than some of the other foods listed tonight? #barkoutloud |
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1:39 am
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TheSophDog:
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@tacrabtree @wantmorepuppies I see that problem (not satisfying so eat more) a lot with weight control formulas. #barkoutloud |
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1:39 am
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gooddogz:
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@STLSeniorDog http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2010/09/08/blue-buffalo-dog-food-may-be-linked-to-serious-illness/ #barkoutloud |
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1:39 am
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TheSophDog:
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I also supplement with fish oil. I assume that is good?
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1:40 am
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tacrabtree:
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@wantmorepuppies @theSophieDog - lite seems to have more grain #barkoutloud |
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1:40 am
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jawaj52:
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Funny thing is Stetson will only eats treats made by @LewisNBarkMTAll natural #barkoutloud |
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1:40 am
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Mod_Hilary:
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@LorieAHuston Does senior food equate with weight control formulas? Is that a problem? #barkoutloud |
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1:40 am
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fearfuldogs:
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i am overwhelmed by choice of food in pet shop. #barkoutloud |
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1:40 am
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Mod_Mary:
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@TheSophDog I think we'll talk more abt that next week, but I'll say that I supp. w/ FO as well #barkoutloud |
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1:40 am
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tacrabtree:
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Yes supplements a must with reg dog foods #barkoutloud |
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1:40 am
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TheSophDog:
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@tacrabtree @wantmorepuppies Not vet or nutr. expert, but suggest clients feed less reg. kibble, not "weight control" formulas. #barkoutloud |
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1:40 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@Mod_Hilary No, senior food is different than weight control as far as ingredients #barkoutloud |
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1:40 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@TheSophDog You want an Omega 3 to Omega 6 ratio of bte 1:5 and 1:7. Kibble fed dogs will need a fish oil supp to get the O3's #barkoutloud |
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1:40 am
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wantmorepuppies:
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@STLSeniorDog Bella had stomach problems w/ Nutro. Our vet recommended Purina Fit & Trim, but curious what others think #barkoutloud |
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1:41 am
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dogloversdigest:
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Very good point! RT @fearfuldogs i am overwhelmed by choice of food in pet shop. #barkoutloud |
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1:41 am
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PatrickMahaney:
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Again, why I don't rely solely on commercial #dog food RT @gooddogz: @STLSeniorDog Blue buffalo article link http://bit.ly/alGN9O #barkoutloud |
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1:41 am
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wantmorepuppies:
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@tacrabtree We measure, so portions are controlled. Though I think Bella would eat however much we put down... #barkoutloud |
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1:41 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@LorieAHuston How is Sr food diff from wt control? Seems the same to me in many brands? #barkoutloud |
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1:41 am
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STLSeniorDog:
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@gooddogz well at least it's not the kind we have been feeding, will have to wait, our rottie is way to picky to change now :(
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1:41 am
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Mod_Mary:
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@Keeping_Awake I suspect we'll talk more about that when @DawgBlogger leads a nutrition chat.. #barkoutloud |
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1:42 am
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TheSophDog:
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@Keeping_Awake Thanks for O3/O6 ratio info! I do feed fish in his raw diet, which helps too. #barkoutloud |
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1:42 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@LorieAHuston Weight control diets basically low in calories #barkoutloud |
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1:42 am
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tacrabtree:
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@TheSophDog - yes reg food & given quanity per day - hope they share politely! all seem to be good - hound is losing wt yay! #barkoutloud |
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1:42 am
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dogloversdigest:
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I have problems with all the "research" that is funded by interest groups on what is good or not good. #barkoutloud |
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1:42 am
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Mod_Hilary:
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Q4. Anybody care to venture a guess about what the #1 nutritional disease is?
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1:42 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@Keeping_Awake Senior diets may have controlled protein which hopefully is easily
digestible #barkoutloud |
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1:42 am
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STLSeniorDog:
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@PatrickMahaney but sometimes we cannot afford other things :( #barkoutloud |
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1:43 am
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TheSophDog:
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@dogloversdigest Unbiased research is hard to come by. #barkoutloud |
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1:43 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@Keeping_Awake Senior foods also often lower in sodium #barkoutloud |
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1:43 am
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wantmorepuppies:
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@TheSophDog That's interesting... I wonder why our vet suggested the lite food instead. #barkoutloud |
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1:43 am
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FixItFish:
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:/ Fat? #barkoutloud |
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1:43 am
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danielbeattydvm:
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Not fair if I answer, right? :-) RT @Mod_Hilary: Q4. Anybody care to venture a guess about what the #1 nutritional disease is? #barkoutloud |
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1:43 am
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PatrickMahaney:
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A4 Obesity! #barkoutloud |
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1:43 am
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RatboneRescues:
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@Mod_Hilary kidney failure? #barkoutloud |
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1:43 am
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Mod_Mary:
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A4... I'd guess obesity... #barkoutloud |
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1:43 am
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dogloversdigest:
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@TheSophDog Yes it is! #barkoutloud |
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1:44 am
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LorieAHuston:
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Any other guesses? #barkoutloud |
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1:44 am
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PatrickMahaney:
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Then make home prepared vs commercial! RT @STLSeniorDog: @PatrickMahaney but sometimes we cannot afford other things :( #barkoutloud #vet |
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1:44 am
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Mod_Hilary:
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@danielbeattydvm You can answer! #barkoutloud |
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1:44 am
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Mod_Mary:
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Hmmm.... like humans, like dogs... and so it goes. #barkoutloud |
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1:44 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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I can't keep up! But whoever mentioned carefully measuring food--I LOVE YOU! #barkoutloud |
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1:44 am
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fearfuldogs:
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OMG the suspense is killing me...and the winner of nutritional disease is.... #barkoutloud |
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1:44 am
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wantmorepuppies:
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@LorieAHuston I'd guess obesity too... #barkoutloud |
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1:45 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@fearfuldogs Gotta be obesity #barkoutloud |
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1:45 am
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wantmorepuppies:
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@Keeping_Awake Agreed. It's all about portion control! #barkoutloud |
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1:45 am
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Mod_Mary:
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Guess it's not obesity, huh? #barkoutloud |
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1:45 am
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LorieAHuston:
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And that brings us to Q5, right? #barkoutloud |
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1:46 am
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Mod_Mary:
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Q5. What is the most common nutritional problem?
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1:46 am
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Mod_Mary:
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Just gotta be obesity. #barkoutloud |
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1:46 am
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PatrickMahaney:
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Drumroll please! RT @LorieAHuston: RT @fearfuldogs: OMG the suspense is killing me...and the winner of nutritional disease is.... #barkoutloud |
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1:46 am
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LorieAHuston:
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A5a. Those of you who guessed obesity get a gold star!! #barkoutloud |
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1:46 am
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LorieAHuston:
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A5b. Being overweight or obese. Many people overfeed and don't even realize their dog is overweight. #barkoutloud |
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1:47 am
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PatrickMahaney:
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YayRT @LorieAHuston: A5a. Those of you guesses obesity get a gold star!! #barkoutloud |
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1:47 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@LorieAHuston I think pet owners are so used to seeing fat dogs that they think fat is normal #barkoutloud |
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1:47 am
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Mod_Mary:
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Hurrah! Hurrah! To all of you who guessed correctly... a cherry cheesecake delivered to your door. #barkoutloud |
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1:47 am
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PatrickMahaney:
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Yay! I never win anything! Can I stick the star to my forehead? RT @LorieAHuston: A5a. Those of you guesses obesity get a gold star #barkoutloud |
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1:47 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@LorieAHuston You're going to walk us through that Purina chart, right? Owners can USE it! #barkoutloud |
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1:47 am
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Mod_Hilary:
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And many owners free-feed, not knowing how much their dog eats. #barkoutloud |
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1:47 am
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danielbeattydvm:
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Vets: What percentage of dogs that come to your clinic are overweight? #barkoutloud |
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1:47 am
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LorieAHuston:
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Yes!! Big problem RT @Keeping_Awake: @LorieAHuston I think pet owners are so used to seeing fat dogs that they think fat is normal #barkoutloud |
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1:48 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@Mod_Mary Just don't share it w/ your DOGS! LOL #barkoutloud |
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1:48 am
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fearfuldogs:
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way to go obesity! american dogs suffer from lifestyle diseases too! good thing they can't smoke. #barkoutloud |
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1:48 am
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vikkilong:
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Just getting here. Picked up little girl today. VERY obese. :( http://yfrog.com/affarcj #barkoutloud |
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1:48 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@PatrickMahaney You get to wear the star on your forehead til tomorrow :-) #barkoutloud |
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1:48 am
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jawaj52:
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@LorieAHuston I went by the chart on the bag for his size. Hegets no more or no less #barkoutloud |
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1:48 am
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dogloversdigest:
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I've had people comment on my normal weight dog as being thin! #barkoutloud |
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1:48 am
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Mod_Mary:
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Let us non-vets take a stab at that... I'd say 55% #barkoutloud |
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1:48 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@danielbeattydvm Close to 50% probably #barkoutloud |
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1:48 am
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Mod_Hilary:
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Oh my! RT @vikkilong: Just getting here. Picked up little girl today. VERY obese. :( http://yfrog.com/affarcj #barkoutloud |
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1:49 am
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gooddogz:
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RT @Mod_Mary: Q5. What is the most common nutritional problem? <<farts? lol #barkoutloud |
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1:49 am
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tacrabtree:
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@LorieAHuston - nobody wants to see ribs - so lets plump them up LOL #barkoutloud |
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1:49 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@jawaj52 Chart is only a guideline. We'll talk more in just a moment :-) #barkoutloud |
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1:49 am
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Mod_Mary:
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@vikkilong I don't dare look #barkoutloud |
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1:49 am
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danielbeattydvm:
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From a company trying to sell you MORE food. RT @jawaj52: I went by the chart on the bag for his size. He gets no more or no less #barkoutloud |
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1:49 am
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STLSeniorDog:
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@dogloversdigest i had that happen with my rescue doxie at the beginning, now i am trying to make him loose weight #barkoutloud |
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1:49 am
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Mod_Hilary:
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@jawaj52 I personally think the bag gauges encourages people to overfeed. #barkoutloud |
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1:49 am
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Mod_Mary:
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Q6. How can I tell whether my dog's weight is good or not?
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1:49 am
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PatrickMahaney:
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Thinner dog typically = longer life studies show RT @dogloversdigest: I've had people comment on my normal weight dog as being thin!#barkoutloud |
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1:50 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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Wt is one area where show folks get it right, regardless how much you all hate us otherwise. We don't have FAT dogs. #barkoutloud |
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1:50 am
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LorieAHuston:
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A6a. Proper body weight is based on body condition score (BCS). #barkoutloud |
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1:50 am
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wantmorepuppies:
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@Mod_Mary Haha... I don't think I should be trusted alone with cherry cheesecake. I can do portion control for the pup, but... #barkoutloud |
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1:50 am
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LorieAHuston:
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A6b. BCS takes into account weight, height and ratio of muscle to fat. #barkoutloud |
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1:50 am
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vikkilong:
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@Mod_Mary It is soooooo sad! She can barely walk. :( #barkoutloud |
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1:50 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@Mod_Hilary Bags do enc. overfeeding! That is for intact, highly active dogs ONLY or breeding stock #barkoutloud |
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1:50 am
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jawaj52:
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@Mod_Hilary He gets 3 1/2 cups a day. #barkoutloud |
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1:50 am
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TheSophDog:
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@Mod_Hilary @Jawaj52 I agree that bag guidelines tend to be high. They don't want to be sued for starving your dog. #barkoutloud |
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1:50 am
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Mod_Hilary:
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@Keeping_Awake We don't hate show folks! #barkoutloud |
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1:50 am
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LorieAHuston:
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A6c. Ideal body condition=ribs palpable with no excess fat covering #barkoutloud |
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1:50 am
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LorieAHuston:
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A6d. Waist should be visible from above i.e hour-glass shape #barkoutloud |
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1:51 am
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LorieAHuston:
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A6e. Abdominal tuck should evident. #barkoutloud |
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1:51 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@Mod_Hilary You may not, but plenty do, unfortunately. :( #barkoutloud |
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1:51 am
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LorieAHuston:
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A6f. See this link for clarification: http://ow.ly/2GEvT #barkoutloud |
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1:51 am
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Mod_Hilary:
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@jawaj52 Wow, that's a lot, but you know what's best. Frisbee gets 2 cups. But he's 11. #barkoutloud |
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1:51 am
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TheSophDog:
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@Mod_Hilary @Jawaj52 Always suggest clients go by how dog looks/feels and reduce or increase as appropriate, not strict bag recs. #barkoutloud |
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1:51 am
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gooddogz:
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RT @Mod_Mary: Q6. How can I tell whether my dogs weight is good ? << people stop & tell me my Collie is thin I know he is perfect! #barkoutloud |
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1:51 am
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FixItFish:
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LOL! @gooddogz Ha! =) !!! U typed the 'gas' word #barkoutloud #barkoutloud |
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1:51 am
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Mod_Mary:
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RT @LorieAHuston: A6e. Abdominal tuck should evident. *What's that?* #barkoutloud |
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1:51 am
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PatrickMahaney:
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I love BCS score! Takes ? out of body weight eval RT @LorieAHuston: A6a. Proper body weight is based on body condition score (BCS). #barkoutloud |
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1:52 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@LorieAHuston A6c. Ideal body condition=ribs palpable with no excess fat covering #barkoutloud |
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1:52 am
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LorieAHuston:
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A6g. DON'T rely solely on the guidelines of the food bag to measure how much your dog needs to eat! #barkoutloud |
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1:52 am
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danielbeattydvm:
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The problem with BCS is that it still is a subjective measurement #barkoutloud |
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1:52 am
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Mod_Mary:
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And for those feeding non commercial diets.... 2-3% of body weight #barkoutloud |
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1:53 am
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Mod_Hilary:
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My vet has a weight-losing contest w/nutrition counseling. Posts pics of progress right by entrance. Kind of motivating/ #barkoutloud |
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1:53 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@danielbeattydvm How subjective is it, really? #barkoutloud |
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1:53 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@Mod_Mary Abdominal tuck is when abdomen raises upward near the hind legs instead of going straight across. #barkoutloud |
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1:53 am
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jawaj52:
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@Mod_Hilary Stetson is only 2-3 yrs old. he is pretty trim. no fat. Can't say the same for his owner. #barkoutloud |
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1:53 am
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tacrabtree:
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@LorieAHuston - I go by what vet tells me - doesn't seem enough but I want those extra years if possible #barkoutloud |
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1:53 am
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Mod_Mary:
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@LorieAHuston Oh, okay. We got that. #barkoutloud |
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1:53 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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Admittedly, I can't keep up. But u also want to see a defined tuck-up behind ribs when viewed from side. #barkoutloud |
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1:54 am
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fearfuldogs:
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they say if your dog is too fat u r not getting enough exercise #barkoutloud
#barkoutloud |
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1:54 am
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danielbeattydvm:
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I can see a dog and score him a 7 out of 10 but the owner will see a 5 and think its perfect. #barkoutloud |
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1:54 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@tacrabtree Good point. Evaluation of BCS should be part of routine exam! #barkoutloud |
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1:54 am
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Mod_Hilary:
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I missed what BCS is... #barkoutloud |
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1:54 am
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dogloversdigest:
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I adjust what i feed based on the amount of training treats & what my wife "thinks" she is sneaking 2 them when I'm not looking. :) #barkoutloud |
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1:54 am
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tacrabtree:
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@LorieAHuston - woo hoo finally seeing that lift in the rare belly area with the hound dog YAY #barkoutloud |
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1:54 am
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Mod_Mary:
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RT @fearfuldogs: they say if your dog is too fat u r not getting enough exercise...*Right!* #barkoutloud |
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1:55 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@tacrabtree VETS WILL NOT TELL U THE DOG IS FAT. u have to ask. #barkoutloud |
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1:55 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@Mod_Hilary BCS=Body Condition Score #barkoutloud |
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1:55 am
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vikkilong:
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Great idea! RT @Mod_Hilary: My vet has a weight-losing contest w/nutrition counseling. Pics of progress by entrance. motivating/ #barkoutloud |
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1:55 am
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Mod_Hilary:
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Mine did! RT @Keeping_Awake: @tacrabtree VETS WILL NOT TELL U THE DOG IS FAT. u have to ask. #barkoutloud |
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1:55 am
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danielbeattydvm:
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I always tell my clients their dog is too fat RT @Keeping_Awake: @tacrabtree VETS WILL NOT TELL U THE DOG IS FAT. u have to ask. #barkoutloud |
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1:55 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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They won't tell u your dog's teeth are rotting out of his head either--have to ask. #barkoutloud |
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1:55 am
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Mod_Mary:
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Q7. Audience: Do any of you have problems with your dog's weight?
#barkoutloud |
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1:56 am
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danielbeattydvm:
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@Keeping_Awake You need a new vet...lol #barkoutloud |
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1:56 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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For some inexplicable reason, vets are REALLY uncomfy telling u the dog is OBESE. #barkoutloud |
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1:56 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@Keeping_Awake I tell my clients if their dogs are overweight, or if they have dental issues :-) #barkoutloud |
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1:56 am
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tacrabtree:
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@Keeping_Awake - my vet does - & threaten hound will die 2-3 years earlier if not losing wt - brings the point home! #barkoutloud |
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1:56 am
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PatrickMahaney:
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I explain BCS to clients vs scale wt RT @Mod_Hilary: Mine did! RT @Keeping_Awake: @tacrabtree VETS WILL NOT TELL U THE DOG IS FAT. #barkoutloud |
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1:56 am
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jawaj52:
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@TheSophDog He does seem to do good at 3 1/2 cups. #barkoutloud |
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1:56 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@danielbeattydvm I have had 8 vets with this dog, and I have had to beg 7 of them to give me feedback on wt. (we move a lot) #barkoutloud |
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1:57 am
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Mod_Hilary:
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@jawaj52 Keep feeding the amount that works! #barkoutloud |
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1:57 am
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vikkilong:
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Maybe time 4 new vet? RT @Keeping_Awake: They won't tell u your dog's teeth are rotting out of his head either--have to ask. #barkoutloud |
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1:57 am
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wantmorepuppies:
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@Keeping_Awake My vet tells me when my dog needs to lose weight! #barkoutloud |
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1:57 am
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LorieAHuston:
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I keep a copy of the BCS chart in the exam room and go over it with clients if their dog is overweight. Show them what to look for #barkoutloud |
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1:57 am
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Mod_Mary:
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A7 no weight issue here with any of them...cats, dogs, turtles #barkoutloud |
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1:57 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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I really do wish ALL VETS would speak up about wt and dental. But most do not. Why is that, vets? #barkoutloud |
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1:57 am
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danielbeattydvm:
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@Keeping_Awake WOW - I am like @PatrickMahaney I try to explain BCS #barkoutloud |
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1:57 am
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dogloversdigest:
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@Mod_Mary I lost my 16 YO Aussie several years ago. She could have gone for a few more years had she not been so overweight. #barkoutloud |
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1:58 am
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dogloversdigest:
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@Mod_Mary Now all my dogs are kept according to the BCS. #barkoutloud |
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1:58 am
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Mod_Mary:
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@dogloversdigest Kevin, I'm sorry to hear that... #barkoutloud |
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1:58 am
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tacrabtree:
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Good vet is honest with you about everything- best for the dog - it's true like it or not! #barkoutloud |
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1:58 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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I'm not exaggerating. This is a very uncomfortable topic for many vets w/owners. Seriously. #barkoutloud |
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1:58 am
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Mod_Mary:
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@dogloversdigest I forgot what you said you feed... #barkoutloud |
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1:58 am
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Mod_Hilary:
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A7 no weight issues here, either. Not now, but used to be until vet had the contest... #barkoutloud |
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1:58 am
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danielbeattydvm:
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@Keeping_Awake Can't answer that but I have noticed that the vets participating here are opinionated and like to share :-) #barkoutloud |
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1:59 am
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CosmoHavanese:
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A7 No weight issues here. Only allowed to overeat on birthdays! Get good exercise too! #barkoutloud |
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1:59 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@Keeping_Awake I do, it looks like Patrick and Daniel do too. All should! #barkoutloud |
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1:59 am
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jawaj52:
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RT @Mod_Hilary: @jawaj52 Keep feeding the amount that works! #barkoutloud // He does get a lot of exercise with me and alone. |
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1:59 am
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Mod_Hilary:
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@EdnaAtNutro Sure! We're having a series of nutrition chats coming up in October, after this first Nutrition 101. #barkoutloud |
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1:59 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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My dog once gained 9 pds in 1 yr ( 18% of her body wt). Had to BEG vet for help. Not alone here. #barkoutloud |
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1:59 am
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dogloversdigest:
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@Mod_Mary She had many joint problems that were exacerbated due to excess weight. #barkoutloud |
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2:00 am
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TheSophDog:
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I agree! RT @Mod_Hilary @jawaj52 Keep feeding the amount that works! #barkoutloud |
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2:00 am
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vikkilong:
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A7 I have 1 very thin sick, working on that with vet. 1 foster needs to lose 2 lbs (should be 12lbs but is 14). #barkoutloud |
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2:00 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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Look, I totally agree vets should be all OVER wt and dental issues. They aren't, and people need to know that! #barkoutloud |
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2:00 am
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Mod_Mary:
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Q7: Do any of the audience participants have problems with weight in their pets? #barkoutloud |
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2:00 am
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gooddogz:
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My former foster dogs all end up fat no matter what I say. No surprise, but folks equate food and love. #barkoutloud |
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2:00 am
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dogloversdigest:
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@Mod_Hilary All are fed high quality kibble. One has a little canned (a spoonful) mixed in because she is finicky. #barkoutloud |
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2:00 am
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Mod_Hilary:
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@Keeping_Awake How did you get the weight off? #barkoutloud |
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2:01 am
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EdnaAtNutro:
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@Keeping_Awake Most Vets are not savvy on nutrition. *sigh* #barkoutloud |
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2:01 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@Mod_Mary I only had a wt issue w/my pet w/ one pet sitter. Fired her, back to normal wt. #barkoutloud |
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2:01 am
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PatrickMahaney:
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Overweight owner usually = overweight #dog RT @danielbeattydvm: @Keeping_Awake WOW - I am like @PatrickMahaney I try to explain BCS #barkoutloud |
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2:01 am
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TheSophDog:
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A7: Thankfully, my dog is at a very healthy weight. I adjust his intake if see change, of course, and he gets lots of exercise. #barkoutloud |
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2:01 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@Keeping_Awake I think it depends on the vet. But if your vet isn't serving your pet's needs, it may be time to find a new one :-) #barkoutloud |
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2:01 am
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danielbeattydvm:
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TRUE!! RT @EdnaAtNutro: @Keeping_Awake Most Vets are not savvy on nutrition. *sigh* #barkoutloud |
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2:01 am
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tacrabtree:
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@gooddogz - good point more food= more love #barkoutloud |
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2:01 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@Mod_Hilary Fired pet sitter who overfed, increased her exercise, more carefully measured food +treats. #barkoutloud |
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2:01 am
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EdnaAtNutro:
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@FixItFish HiYa! Nice to meet you! TY for welcome!:-) #barkoutloud |
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2:02 am
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LorieAHuston:
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Agreed! RT @danielbeattydvm: TRUE!! RT @EdnaAtNutro: @Keeping_Awake Most Vets are not savvy on nutrition. *sigh* #barkoutloud |
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2:02 am
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PatrickMahaney:
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A7 I had problems with #Cardiff getting too thin from #Prednisone &other meds during his latest #IMHA episode, but that's resolved #barkoutloud |
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2:02 am
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Mod_Mary:
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If I notice my pups gaining a little, I start measuring and notice that I'm often over the 2 1/2% of body weight measure that I use #barkoutloud |
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2:02 am
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Mod_Hilary:
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Q8. What other nutritional deficiencies or excesses can occur? #barkoutloud |
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2:03 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@LorieAHuston I honestly had to ask % times in 1 visit how to get this 18% wt gain off her. I begged! Swear to God! #barkoutloud |
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2:03 am
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DaisyWunderDog:
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Hard w/Daisy. RT @LorieAHuston: Abdominal tuck is when abdomen raises upward near the hind legs instead of going straight across. #barkoutloud |
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2:03 am
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gooddogz:
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@PatrickMahaney Disagree. I went out of my way to get thin dogs because everyone knows people look like their dogs #weightlossplan #barkoutloud |
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2:03 am
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FixItFish:
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No weight/Obese problem @Mod_Mary but my @BooFixItFish has a 'fatty bump' on his belly.. dia. of quarter, 1/2" thick? :( #barkoutloud |
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2:03 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@EdnaAtNutro @Keeping_Awake But even if not savvy on the details of nutrition, should still be able to tell whether overwt or not. #barkoutloud |
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2:03 am
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wantmorepuppies:
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@Keeping_Awake I'm sorry to hear that your vet isn't helpful with that stuff. :( #barkoutloud |
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2:03 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@DaisyWunderDog Why hard? #barkoutloud |
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2:03 am
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DaisyWunderDog:
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Daisy has excess skin from multiple litters in puppy mill. Belly hangs down. Vet said she could have a tummy tuck. #barkoutloud |
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2:04 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@DaisyWunderDog Ahh, gotcha. #barkoutloud |
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2:04 am
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tacrabtree:
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@DaisyWunderDog = ) #barkoutloud |
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2:04 am
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DaisyWunderDog:
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@LorieAHuston But I look from above and know she needs to lose a few pounds
#barkoutloud |
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2:04 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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I don't mean to give all vets a bad name. Just to let owners know that you have to ask, hard, about your pet's wt... #barkoutloud |
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2:05 am
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Mod_Mary:
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Q8. What other nutritional deficiencies or excesses can occur?
#barkoutloud |
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2:05 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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...as many vets are uncomfortable discussing pet wt. Most owners do not listen, which is part of problem. #barkoutloud |
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2:05 am
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FangShuiCanines:
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Q8. What other nutritional deficiencies or excesses can occur? #barkoutloud |
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2:05 am
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EdnaAtNutro:
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@danielbeattydvm HiYa& being Instore for food co., I hear many insistant of what VET rec'd's instead of being open . #barkoutloud |
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2:05 am
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LorieAHuston:
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A8a. Can see variety of deficiencies/excesses. #barkoutloud |
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2:05 am
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LorieAHuston:
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A8b. Hyperparathyroidism can be seen, esp w/all meat diets. #barkoutloud |
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2:05 am
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dogloversdigest:
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After having an overweight dog I will forever err of the side of underfeeding just a smidge vs overfeeding. #barkoutloud |
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2:06 am
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LorieAHuston:
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A8c. Occurs with diet too low in calcium, too high in phosphorus or unbalanced calcium:phos ratio. #barkoutloud |
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2:06 am
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tacrabtree:
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@LorieAHuston - just like ppl - less activity = less food #barkoutloud |
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2:06 am
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EdnaAtNutro:
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@LorieAHuston I see more and more dogs waddle when I'm in store. :-/ #barkoutloud |
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2:06 am
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LorieAHuston:
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A8d. Results in weakened bones, lameness or even fractures. #barkoutloud |
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2:06 am
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PatrickMahaney:
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Good #health strategy RT @Gooddogz: Disagree. I went out of my way to get thin dogs b/c everyone knows people look like their dogs #barkoutloud |
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2:06 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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If I can stand there at a vet. a good vet, and see my dog is 18% heavier, and have to BEG vet to discuss, well, there u r #barkoutloud |
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2:06 am
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LorieAHuston:
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A8e. Due to deminineralization of bones. #barkoutloud |
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2:07 am
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LorieAHuston:
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A8f. Also can see def/excesses in other vitamins/minerals
#barkoutloud |
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2:07 am
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TheSophDog:
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What exactly are the symptoms of hyperparathyroidism? (undstand hyper and hypothyroid, confused by the para) #barkoutloud |
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2:07 am
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Mod_Mary:
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@LorieAHuston That's the biggie when you're doing your own diet: calcium-phosphorus ratio... #barkoutloud |
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2:07 am
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fearfuldogs:
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you can save $ if u feed your dogs less food #barkoutloud |
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2:07 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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U know, when u go to vet blogs, they admit this is a tough topic w/clients. #barkoutloud |
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2:07 am
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TheSophDog:
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Never mind -- you answered before my Q posted. #barkoutloud |
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2:08 am
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EdnaAtNutro:
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@Keeping_Awake Time to interview Vets... got a list? ;-) #barkoutloud |
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2:08 am
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PatrickMahaney:
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Omega Fatty Acid deficiencies leading to skin AbN RT @FangShuiCanines: Q8. What other nutritional deficiencies/ excesses can occur? #barkoutloud |
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2:08 am
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Mod_Mary:
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@Keeping_Awake I think we've heard what you're saying and now we're on to another question... #barkoutloud |
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2:08 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@Keeping_Awake It is a difficult topic. some owners get offended. Still needs to be discussed tho #barkoutloud |
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2:08 am
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furryfourpaws:
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@Gooddogz i watch my dogs' weight more than i watch my own... dysfunctional on another level #barkoutloud |
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2:08 am
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tacrabtree:
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@Keeping_Awake - I'm sure it's difficult - many ppl get emotional instead of seeing the practical = what's best for my best friend #barkoutloud |
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2:09 am
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Mod_Hilary:
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# Q9. What are some signs of a nutritional deficiency/excess? #barkoutloud |
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2:09 am
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FixItFish:
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Eating 'Grass' occasionally? Gotta purrfect pipe<kid'n>RT @Mod_Mary Q8. What other nutritional deficiencies or excesses can occur? #barkoutloud |
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2:09 am
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ProperPooch:
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RT @fearfuldogs way to go obesity! american dogs suffer from lifestyle diseases too! good thing they can't smoke. #barkoutloud |
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2:09 am
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LorieAHuston:
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A9a. Depends a lot on what nutrient is out of balance and how far out of balance. #barkoutloud |
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2:09 am
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TheSophDog:
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@furryfourpaws @Gooddogz Likewise on watching dog's weight vs. mine. I'm not obese, but could eat healthier. My dog eats better. #barkoutloud |
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2:10 am
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LorieAHuston:
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A9b. Anemia, skeletal deformities, lameness, neurologic deficits, paralysis, seizures #barkoutloud |
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2:10 am
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LorieAHuston:
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A9c. Also weight loss, skin problems, eye disease, diarrhea, changes in water consumption #barkoutloud |
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2:10 am
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Mod_Mary:
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I think we'll talk more about nutritional deficiences in upcoming weeks... #barkoutloud |
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2:10 am
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LorieAHuston:
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A9d. Changes in urinary habits, vomiting, #barkoutloud |
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2:10 am
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fearfuldogs:
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any1 know if safflower is high in omegas. don't make me google. #barkoutloud |
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2:10 am
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LorieAHuston:
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A9d. Lots of other symptoms also. Too many for complete list. #barkoutloud |
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2:10 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@LorieAHuston LOL--I watch the dogs more too. So sign me up for dysfunctional club. ;) #barkoutloud |
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2:11 am
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LorieAHuston:
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A9e. Signs can vary from mild to life-threatening. #barkoutloud |
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2:11 am
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Mod_Mary:
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Particularly calcium-phosphorus ratios.. #barkoutloud |
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2:11 am
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fearfuldogs:
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@TheSophDog ha! i often say that my dogs eat better than most of the ppl on the planet. most of my grocery stops r for them! #barkoutloud |
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2:11 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@fearfuldogs Plant omegas can't be converted by dogs to the ones they need. Animal/fish best 4 dogs #barkoutloud |
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2:11 am
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TheSophDog:
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@fearfuldogs I resemble that remark! #barkoutloud |
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2:11 am
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Mod_Mary:
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@fearfuldogs I want to say no... not for dogs...suspect that'll come up in subsequent chats... #barkoutloud |
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2:12 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@Mod_Mary Calcium:Phosporus ratios VERY important! #barkoutloud |
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2:12 am
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Mod_Mary:
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Q10. Audience: Have any of your dog's suffered any nutritional diseases?
#barkoutloud |
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2:12 am
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gooddogz:
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RT @Keeping_Awake: @LorieAHuston LOL--I watch the dogs more too. So sign me up for dysfunctional club. ;) < I am a member to #barkoutloud |
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2:13 am
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Mod_Hilary:
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Q10. Audience: Have any of your dog's suffered any nutritional diseases? #barkoutloud |
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2:13 am
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Mod_Mary:
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@LorieAHuston Particularly in growing puppies... #barkoutloud |
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2:13 am
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Mod_Mary:
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A10....not mine... #barkoutloud |
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2:14 am
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vikkilong:
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@fearfuldogs It is scary 2 see healthy dog lose 1/6th of body weight in short time. :( #barkoutloud |
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2:14 am
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LorieAHuston:
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Yes. Ca:Phos especially important in growing puppies. RT @Mod_Mary: @LorieAHuston Particularly in growing puppies... #barkoutloud |
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2:14 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@Mod_Hilary Aside from the obese blip, no. Got her wt back to 'appropriate' in 3 mos. #barkoutloud |
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2:14 am
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gooddogz:
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@Mod_Mary q10 Charlee has had thyroid issues since she was 3-she is 12 now. 1st low then high, and chronic pancreatitis since 06 #barkoutloud |
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2:14 am
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fearfuldogs:
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@Keeping_Awake tested routinely. he's wicked old. #barkoutloud |
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2:14 am
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PatrickMahaney:
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A10 I suspect #Cardiff had his most recent #IMHA episode after massively overeating my sister's dog's dry Kirkland Lamb & Rice food #barkoutloud |
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2:14 am
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tacrabtree:
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@Mod_Hilary - skin problems in past dogs getting the cheap stuff - never again #barkoutloud |
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2:15 am
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danielbeattydvm:
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A10 - My old guy and several clients have had skin infections and numerous ear infections that were resolved by proper nutrition #barkoutloud |
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2:15 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@fearfuldogs U can still use it for the dogs, but not as a complete Omega 3 source. Or even use for u? #barkoutloud |
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2:15 am
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Mod_Hilary:
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A10 both of my dogs are on thyroid meds! And on PH meds! But those aren't really nutritional, are they? #barkoutloud |
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2:15 am
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PatrickMahaney:
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A10 From a Chinese med perspective, dry food and protein sources like lamb are "hot" (Yang) and build heat in body causing illness #barkoutloud |
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2:15 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@fearfuldogs Cool-some peeps don't realize u have to KEEP testing that thyroid! #barkoutloud |
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2:15 am
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vikkilong:
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A10 One current foster had bladder stones & is overweight. Suspect LOTS of bad food... #barkoutloud |
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2:15 am
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Mod_Mary:
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I noticed that yellowy eye gunk in Foster dog's eyes disappeared after better food given. #barkoutloud |
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2:16 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@danielbeattydvm Yes, I've seen that in my practice too. Also dogs losing weight that resolved w/proper nutrition #barkoutloud |
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2:16 am
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danielbeattydvm:
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Q: of those that feed kibble do you add water? - I do #barkoutloud |
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2:16 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@Mod_Mary U know what got rid of eye gunk in Jess/ Brewer's yeast. But I don't understand why? #barkoutloud |
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2:17 am
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Mod_Mary:
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Q11. How can I avoid a nutritional deficiency/excess?
#barkoutloud |
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2:17 am
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Mod_Hilary:
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Giblet broth! Water, too. RT @danielbeattydvm: Q: of those that feed kibble do you add water? - I do #barkoutloud |
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2:17 am
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tacrabtree:
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@danielbeattydvm - mine won't eat it if I add water #barkoutloud |
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2:17 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@Keeping_Awake The Brewers Yeast is part of her joint supp. to make it tasty I think, but cleared up the eye gunk! #barkoutloud |
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2:17 am
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fearfuldogs:
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@PatrickMahaney nutritionist told me lamb was 1 of the harder proteins 4 dogs to digest, beef easiest. what say you? #barkoutloud |
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2:17 am
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LorieAHuston:
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A11a. Monitor your dog closely at home. Should have healthy skin, clear eyes, normal habits #barkoutloud |
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2:17 am
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Mod_Mary:
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@Keeping_Awake Nutritional yeast is staple on evry meal here with dogs and cats... #barkoutloud |
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2:17 am
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LorieAHuston:
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A11b. Regular vet checks that include thorough exam and blood screens #barkoutloud |
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2:18 am
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EdnaAtNutro:
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@vikkilong One current foster had bladder stones & is overweight. #barkoutloud //Yikes Shades of Dalmatian type diet to avoid stone forming |
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2:18 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@danielbeattydvm I don't add water, mom does. #barkoutloud |
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2:18 am
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LorieAHuston:
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A11c. External exam should check all major body organs (i.e eyes, ears, mouth, bones, muscles, lymph nodes, etc.) and BCS #barkoutloud |
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2:18 am
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LorieAHuston:
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A11d. Check for electrolyte levels in blood, esp. calcium and phosphorus levels. #barkoutloud |
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2:18 am
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LorieAHuston:
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A11e. Check for protein levels in blood, usually albumins and globulins. #barkoutloud |
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2:19 am
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EdnaAtNutro:
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@Keeping_Awake @fearfuldogs some peeps don't realize u have to KEEP testing that thyroid! //Very True! #barkoutloud |
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2:19 am
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LorieAHuston:
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A11f. May need other testing depending on preliminary results (i.e. PTH levels, x-rays, etc.) #barkoutloud |
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2:19 am
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Mod_Mary:
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@LorieAHuston A11b What would blood screen show for nutritional deficiencies? Always wondered that... #barkoutloud |
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2:19 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@EdnaAtNutro Dalmatians have a unique susceptibility to bladder and kidney probs. Was this also a Dal? #barkoutloud |
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2:19 am
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LorieAHuston:
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A11g. Important to tell your vet what food your dog eats, especially if home cooked. #barkoutloud |
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2:19 am
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fearfuldogs:
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@vikkilong did u get the dog sorted out? #barkoutloud |
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2:19 am
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PatrickMahaney:
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@fearfuldogs Don't really think along lines of "hard" vs "easy" to digest, as also depends on format of food (whole, raw, dry, etc) #barkoutloud |
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2:19 am
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vikkilong:
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@EdnaAtNutro Waiting on stone analysis to see about special diet. Should hear in next day or 2. #barkoutloud |
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2:19 am
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dogloversdigest:
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The leaner the protein the more digestible and bioavailable no? #barkoutloud |
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2:19 am
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danielbeattydvm:
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yes! RT @LorieAHuston: A11g. Important to tell your vet what food your dog eats, especially if home cooked. #barkoutloud |
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2:19 am
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PatrickMahaney:
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SO important! Catch disease early! RT @LorieAHuston: A11b. Regular vet checks that include thorough exam and blood screens #barkoutloud #vet |
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2:20 am
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vikkilong:
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At yearly exam or as needed? RT @LorieAHuston: A11d. Check for electrolyte levels in blood, esp. calcium and phosphorus levels. #barkoutloud |
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2:20 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@Mod_Mary Might show abnormalities in Calcium and/or phosporus levels and other electrolytes #barkoutloud |
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2:21 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@dogloversdigest Why would that make a difference? #barkoutloud |
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2:21 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@Mod_Mary Also abnormal protein levels possibly #barkoutloud |
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2:21 am
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vikkilong:
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If dog has to go on special diet to prevent bladder stones & lose more weight, what is best thing to feed? #barkoutloud |
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2:21 am
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Mod_Hilary:
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Q12. Any advice for those feeding home cooked meals? #barkoutloud |
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2:21 am
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Mod_Mary:
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@LorieAHuston So if blood work is good, plus body, coat, eyes, etc.... pretty good to go? #barkoutloud |
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2:22 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@vikkilong Yearly exams at a minimum. Twice yearly better. More often if dog is ill or something unexpected happens. #barkoutloud |
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2:22 am
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LorieAHuston:
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A12a. Very difficult to formulate a balanced home cooked diet by yourself, unless you're a nutrition expert. #barkoutloud |
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2:22 am
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EdnaAtNutro:
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@danielbeattydvm HiYa. I add spoon of water into her kibble as our kibble coated with broth- its encouraged to litely moisten! :-O #barkoutloud |
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2:22 am
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LorieAHuston:
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A12b. Many (most?) vets also are not knowledgeable enough to formulate balanced home cooked diet. (I'm not!) #barkoutloud |
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2:22 am
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LorieAHuston:
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A12c. Should consult nutrition expert if decide to feed home cooked. #barkoutloud |
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2:23 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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I've seen several of our vets here advise blood testing. How often, at what ages? #barkoutloud |
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2:23 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@Mod_Mary Yes, probably good to go if blood work good and exam normal :-) #barkoutloud |
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2:24 am
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EdnaAtNutro:
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@Keeping_Awake Yes, Dals are prone 2 stone forming. Low -Med purines are fed to avoid stones. #barkoutloud |
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2:24 am
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Mod_Mary:
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@Keeping_Awake That would be blood testing to detect nutritional deficiences? #barkoutloud |
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2:24 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@PatrickMahaney @DanielBeattydvm Do you feel qualified to formulate home-cooked meal without advice from nutritionist? #barkoutloud |
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2:24 am
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dogloversdigest:
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@LorieAHuston Who(m) would you consider as a qualified nutrition expert? I know many who make claims but... #barkoutloud |
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2:24 am
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danielbeattydvm:
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@LorieAHuston The funny thing is that the nutrition book we use gives the formulations in grams! Try formulating that! #barkoutloud |
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2:25 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@EdnaAtNutro Have read that too--probably a separate discussion though with Dals and Purines. :( #barkoutloud |
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2:25 am
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danielbeattydvm:
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@LorieAHuston I cheat and use the book #barkoutloud |
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2:25 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@Mod_Mary Blood testing at least once yearly, starting early on. I try to get my clients to do blood screen at spay/neuter time #barkoutloud |
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2:25 am
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tacrabtree:
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@LorieAHuston - do they need more frequent blood testing as the get up there in years or only if you suspect a problem? #barkoutloud |
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2:25 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@dogloversdigest Veterinary nutritionist! #barkoutloud |
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2:25 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@Mod_Mary I don't know. I can' t keep up 2night! I just see blood testing coming up rpdtly from the vets? #barkoutloud |
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2:26 am
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Mod_Mary:
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Our next four chats speak directly to home cooked diets...without working directly with a nutritionist. Here's the diff. of opinion #barkoutloud |
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2:26 am
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EdnaAtNutro:
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@vikkilong HiYa. Definelty find out what type stones they are- Struvite or Calcium Oxylate. Good luck/paws crossed 4 U #barkoutloud |
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2:26 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@tacrabtree At least once yearly unless abnormalities seen. Then may need more frequent. #barkoutloud |
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2:26 am
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dogloversdigest:
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@LorieAHuston Thank you for the clarification. ;) #barkoutloud |
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2:27 am
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PatrickMahaney:
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Yes & I do RT @LorieAHuston: @DanielBeattydvm Do you feel qualified to formulate home-cooked meal without advice from nutritionist? #barkoutloud |
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2:27 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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RT re: blood tests:@LorieAHuston At least once yearly unless abnormalities seen. Then may need more frequent. #barkoutloud |
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2:27 am
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tacrabtree:
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@LorieAHuston - thanks :) #barkoutloud |
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2:28 am
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PatrickMahaney:
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@LorieAHuston @DanielBeattyDVM I feed on #Chinese #medicine theory with general guidelines from nutritional cont ed I've attended. #barkoutloud |
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2:28 am
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Mod_Mary:
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With respect I'll say, On my part, extensive research over the past 12 years...I feel qualified to formulate my dog's meals, #barkoutloud |
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2:28 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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Wow, Jess had had 2 blood panels: at 16 mos and 8.75 yrs. I suck as an owner! Gah! #barkoutloud |
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2:28 am
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tacrabtree:
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Sounds like a need for more doggie nutritionists for ppl these days #barkoutloud |
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2:29 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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Both blood panels were looking for probs. I REALLY suck as an owner! #barkoutloud |
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2:29 am
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Mod_Mary:
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But am very appreciative of veterinary support, particularly when it comes to blood work to detect deficiencies. #barkoutloud |
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2:29 am
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danielbeattydvm:
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@Mod_Mary How about if your dog has a medical condition? #barkoutloud |
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2:29 am
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Mod_Hilary:
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Q13. Are any of you feeding home cooked diets? #barkoutloud |
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2:30 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@Mod_Hilary I don't feel qualified at all to even attempt a homecooked diet. #barkoutloud |
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2:30 am
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Mod_Mary:
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@danielbeattydvm What do you mean, Daniel? Would I still continue to formulate my dog's meals? #barkoutloud |
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2:32 am
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danielbeattydvm:
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@Mod_Mary Correct - I can from the top of my head formulate a diet for the normal to athletic dog, but not if I have underlying dis #barkoutloud |
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2:32 am
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danielbeattydvm:
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@Mod_Mary If your dog had Chronic Kidney Failure would you feel comfortable formulating a homemade diet? #barkoutloud |
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2:33 am
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Mod_Mary:
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@danielbeattydvm I've not had any medical issues with either of my dogs. So, I can't answer that... #barkoutloud |
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2:33 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@danielbeattydvm @Mod_Mary Yes, I agree entirely about formulating meals for sick dogs. #barkoutloud |
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2:34 am
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Mod_Mary:
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@danielbeattydvm Absolutely. I kept a CRF cat alive and happy for 3 years. On a whole foods diet. I think she finally passed at 20. #barkoutloud |
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2:34 am
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tacrabtree:
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@danielbeattydvm -seems like if formulting hommade meals & no health problems - you've done a good job at it! #barkoutloud |
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2:34 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@danielbeattydvm @Mod_Mary Also need to be careful formulating for growing puppies. #barkoutloud |
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2:34 am
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Mod_Mary:
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@LorieAHuston It depends on the illness, perhaps? #barkoutloud |
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2:35 am
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Mod_Mary:
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@LorieAHuston Totally agree with that... #barkoutloud |
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2:35 am
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danielbeattydvm:
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@Mod_Mary That's Ok I can formulate diets but not like @PatrickMahaney when it comes to sick animals I have to cheat and use a book #barkoutloud |
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2:35 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@LorieAHuston the raw or homemade diets do worry me w/pups, greatly. #barkoutloud |
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2:36 am
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danielbeattydvm:
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NEED to wash everything and be clean RT @Keeping_Awake: @LorieAHuston the raw or homemade diets do worry me w/pups, greatly. #barkoutloud |
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2:36 am
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EdnaAtNutro:
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@danielbeattydvm LOL! I'm glad U admit U have 2 use a book- I dont know many who know off the top of head! :-) #barkoutloud |
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2:37 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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I'm not saying u can't do raw or homemade w/pups., I just don't understand how you do it appropriately. Not my bag. #barkoutloud |
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2:37 am
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BestFriendsMom:
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@danielbeattydvm I just joined in R U saying homemade is better than prepared? #barkoutloud |
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2:37 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@danielbeattydvm @Mod_Mary I don't feel qualified to formulate home-cooked diet without aid for ill animals either. #barkoutloud |
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2:37 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@danielbeattydvm Um, yeah, that's ONE consideration. #barkoutloud |
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2:38 am
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Mod_Mary:
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@danielbeattydvm I've been reading for many, many years...and would continue to read and research for sick animals. #barkoutloud |
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2:38 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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The feeding issue worries me in re: vets. Good vets who can't talk food these days lose clients. #barkoutloud |
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2:38 am
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danielbeattydvm:
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@BestFriendsMom nope - talking about homemade diets and if I was capable of formulating one for a sick dog off the top of my head #barkoutloud |
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2:38 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@Mod_Mary That's a great approach, Mary :-) #barkoutloud |
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2:39 am
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danielbeattydvm:
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Agreed! RT @LorieAHuston: @Mod_Mary Thats a great approach, Mary :-) #barkoutloud |
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2:39 am
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Mod_Mary:
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@danielbeattydvm Why would it be cheating to read a book to formulate a diet? #barkoutloud |
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2:39 am
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Mod_Hilary:
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Our next chat about nutrition will be Oct. 4--we'll have a 4-week series w/experts who have differing views. Shld be informative! #barkoutloud |
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2:39 am
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tacrabtree:
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@Mod_Mary - if u did the research for so long I think u know what to do - just sayin #barkoutloud |
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2:40 am
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Mod_Mary:
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@Mod_Hilary And lively, I suspect! #barkoutloud |
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2:40 am
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EdnaAtNutro:
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@Mod_Mary Continuing reading/researching is the best thing to do! :-) #barkoutloud |
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2:40 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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Clients are quite understandably scared to death of commercial food after the 2008-9 debacle. But are throwing away good vets! #barkoutloud |
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2:40 am
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danielbeattydvm:
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I'm a vet, I'm suppose to know everything, LOL RT @Mod_Mary: Why would it be cheating to read a book to formulate a diet? #barkoutloud |
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2:40 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@Keeping_Awake Not that I'm unable to talk food. Just that I know my limitations & I'm not afraid to involve another vet/expert #barkoutloud |
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2:40 am
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dogloversdigest:
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@Mod_Mary @LorieAHuston Recommendations for those of us who might have a penchant for reading up on the subject? #barkoutloud |
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2:41 am
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Mod_Mary:
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I just often wonder what ppl did before there was commercial dog food? #barkoutloud |
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2:41 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@Keeping_Awake ..if necessary. No different than referring a complicated case to a colleague better able to treat it :-) #barkoutloud |
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2:41 am
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lbbDN:
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@tacrabtree No. I think we have that under control. No recent changes. Diet wise, that is. #barkoutloud |
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2:41 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@tacrabtree I don't agree. Where is this research coming from? the net? Anecdotes? Real controlled studies? What? #barkoutloud |
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2:41 am
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danielbeattydvm:
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Feed Raw and homecooked RT @Mod_Mary: I just
often wonder what ppl did before there was commercial dog food? #barkoutloud |
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2:41 am
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TheSophDog:
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@danielbeattydvm What?! You don't know everything?? I'm shocked! ;-) #barkoutloud |
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2:41 am
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Mod_Hilary:
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Table scraps! RT @Mod_Mary: I just ofent wonder what ppl did before there was commercial dog food? #barkoutloud |
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2:41 am
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tacrabtree:
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@Mod_Mary - dinner scraps #barkoutloud |
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2:41 am
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BestFriendsMom:
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@Mod_Mary They fed table and farm scraps. #barkoutloud |
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2:41 am
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Mod_Mary:
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@dogloversdigest I started many years ago (1995) with Pitcairn, tho I longer feed that way. #barkoutloud |
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2:42 am
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EdnaAtNutro:
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@LorieAHuston @danielbeattydvm Wow! Many Vets wont admit that they have limitation! TY TY #barkoutloud |
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2:42 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@LorieAHuston I totally respect -it's completely honest. I just worry that people are tossing aside GOOD vets over feeding q's. #barkoutloud |
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2:42 am
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tacrabtree:
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@Mod_Hilary - pysch #barkoutloud |
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2:42 am
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dogloversdigest:
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@Mod_Mary I do have that book but no other. #barkoutloud |
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2:42 am
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danielbeattydvm:
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@TheSophDog I know I just gave away my secret #barkoutloud |
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2:42 am
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Mod_Mary:
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And did dogs die of cancer and obesity, etc. at such an alarming rate 100 years ago? #barkoutloud |
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2:44 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@EdnaAtNutro Good vets put their patients needs first, even if that means involving another dr. IMO :-) #barkoutloud |
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2:44 am
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tacrabtree:
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@Mod_Mary - no - but ppl weren't obese back then either #barkoutloud |
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2:44 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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And to disclose my own bias, most of my tweeps know that I can't make the 'raw' leap just yet.haven't seen real science #barkoutloud |
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2:44 am
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lbbDN:
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@Keeping_Awake Thanks! Happily diet is not an issue fur me now, but I could learn something that could help someone in future #barkoutloud |
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2:44 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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And it's really odd to me that no one can GIVE me REAL science on raw yet, when it's been so popular for so long.... #barkoutloud |
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2:44 am
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dogloversdigest:
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@Mod_Mary And I should that the nutritional requirements of the domestic dog has evolved somewhat since the dog evolved #barkoutloud |
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2:45 am
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TheSophDog:
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Amen to that! RT @LorieAHuston @EdnaAtNutro Good vets put patients needs first, even if that means involving another dr. IMO :-) #barkoutloud |
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2:45 am
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Mod_Hilary:
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Oct 4, we'll begin a 4-week discussion about nutrition with guest experts with differing views, so stay tuned! We're abt to wrap. #barkoutloud |
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2:45 am
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FixItFish:
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DejaVu!<Saturdy> thought about that tooRT @Mod_Mary I just ofent wonder what ppl did before there was commercial dog food? #barkoutloud #barkoutloud |
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2:45 am
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tacrabtree:
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@Mod_Mary - process foods - who hasn't tosssed their dog a potato chip on occasion #barkoutloud |
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2:45 am
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Mod_Hilary:
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Next week, Sept. 27, we'll be discussing the #NeverShockaPuppy campaign. For info about the campaign, see www.nevershockapuppy.com #barkoutloud |
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2:45 am
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Finch93:
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@Mod_Mary They died of much more horrendous things than cancer & obesity 100 years ago! #exposure #neglect #rabies (no hbc tho) #barkoutloud |
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2:45 am
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LorieAHuston:
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@Mod_Mary Probably not obesity. But I think dogs are living longer lives today than back then also. #barkoutloud |
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2:45 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@lbbDN We chat every MON at this time. And everyone here is a wonderful tweep re: dogs. :) Welcome! #barkoutloud |
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2:45 am
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Mod_Mary:
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Well, it's been a very good chat! #barkoutloud |
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2:46 am
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TheSophDog:
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@Keeping_Awake No big company benefits from research on raw - too easy to feed on your own. No money in it. #barkoutloud |
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2:47 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@Mod_Mary Did dogs live to twenty 100 yrs ago? Did we know how they died as they got far less vet care? #barkoutloud |
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2:47 am
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dogloversdigest:
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Good vets don't have to know it all. But they need to know who to consult when they dont. And most do! #barkoutloud |
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2:47 am
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LorieAHuston:
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Yes, it really has. RT @Mod_Mary: Well, its been a very good chat! #barkoutloud |
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2:47 am
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Mod_Hilary:
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Thanks, Lorie, for an amazing talk on the basics of nutrition! I know you'll add great info to the next several chats! #barkoutloud |
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2:47 am
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TheSophDog:
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Thanks for the great chat, all, and special thanks to our fabulous moderators and presenter! @Mod_Mary, @Mod_Hilary, @LorieAHuston #barkoutloud |
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2:47 am
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Finch93:
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@Mod_Mary sitting right here next to you! Trying to keep up with @LorieAHuston and her great info! #barkoutloud |
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2:48 am
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LorieAHuston:
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Thank you all for participating. What a wonderful chat. #barkoutloud |
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2:48 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@TheSophDog That's called 'changing the subject', not an actual response. Typical BS when one ask about raw. #barkoutloud |
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2:48 am
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Mod_Mary:
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@LorieAHuston Lorie, thank you once again! #barkoutloud |
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2:48 am
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tacrabtree:
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Guest @LorieAHuston - thank you for the info - Mod_Mary Mod_Hilary - thank you for being the moderators #barkoutloud |
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2:48 am
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vikkilong:
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RT @TheSophDog: Thanks for the great chat, all, and special thanks to our fabulous moderators and presenter! @Mod_Mary, @Mod_Hilary, @LorieAHuston #barkoutloud |
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2:48 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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And why NO ONE can find science behind raw. #barkoutloud |
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2:48 am
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Mod_Hilary:
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@TheSophDog Thanks for sharing your experiences with us! Next week-Never Shock a Puppy! Hope to see you. #barkoutloud |
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2:48 am
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BestFriendsMom:
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Sept. 27, #barkoutloud discussing the #NeverShockaPuppy campaign. For info about the campaign, see www.nevershockapuppy.com #NeverShockaPuppy |
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2:48 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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I'm NOT anti-raw. But NO ONE can give me SCIENCE behind it. EVER. #barkoutloud |
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2:48 am
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dogloversdigest:
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@LorieAHuston Thank you very much.@Mod_Hillary @Mod_Mary too! Good talk. #barkoutloud |
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2:49 am
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danielbeattydvm:
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Who's going to pay for it? RT @Keeping_Awake: And why NO ONE can find science behind raw. #barkoutloud |
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2:49 am
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LorieAHuston:
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Thank you @Mod_Mary and @Mod_Hilary for doing such a wonderful job moderating :-0 #barkoutloud |
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2:49 am
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TheSophDog:
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@Keeping_Awake I think that tone is uncalled for. I gave a reasonable reply. Reviewable research is expensive. #barkoutloud |
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2:49 am
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Mod_Hilary:
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@LorieAHuston Thanks, Lorie, for being our wonderful guest! Learned a lot! #barkoutloud |
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2:49 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@danielbeattydvm How about the many vendors of frozen raw meals? anyone who sells pet supplies? Vets? etc? #barkoutloud |
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2:50 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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Pets are big business. If someone could make a scientific case for raw, there would be a HUGE industry to meet the need. #barkoutloud |
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2:51 am
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Mod_Hilary:
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We'll talk raw and other controversial nutritional topics starting Oct. 2--maybe there will be some scientific cases! Stay tuned! #barkoutloud |
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2:51 am
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danielbeattydvm:
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@Keeping_Awake Well a quick search on PubMed reveals 39 studies on Raw Feeding of Dogs - most of them with the risk of Salmonella #barkoutloud |
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2:51 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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Just as there are huge industries telling humans to eat better, less processed food. #barkoutloud |
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2:51 am
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LorieAHuston:
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Thank you all for participating and making this a lively discussion. Great chat. I learned from it too :-) #barkoutloud |
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2:51 am
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tacrabtree:
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@Keeping_Awake -doggie nutrienists will be a booming business - much needed I see #barkoutloud |
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2:52 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@Mod_Hilary I really don't think it's contr. I just want some FACTS! Is that too much to ask? ;) #barkoutloud |
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2:52 am
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tacrabtree:
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@Keeping_Awake - daughter is actually going to school for this! #barkoutloud |
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2:52 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@tacrabtree Exactly! It would be! #barkoutloud |
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2:53 am
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Mod_Hilary:
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We're searching! RT @Keeping_Awake: @Mod_Hilary I really dont think its contr. I just want some FACTS! Is that too much to ask? ;) #barkoutloud |
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2:53 am
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Keeping_Awake:
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@tacrabtree Oh, now THAT excites me! #barkoutloud |
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2:53 am
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LorieAHuston:
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Hope to see all of you next week, discussing #nevershockapuppy :-0 #barkoutloud |