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May 31, 2010
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Mod_Mary:
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I'd like to officially welcome our guest, Mary Haight, @DancingDogBlog. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Q1: What is a No-Kill shelter and how does it differ from the majority of shelters in the US? #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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A1Has a comp hitlist: TNR, Adptn, hi vol,low cost s/n, retentn, fostr, voluntrs, rescue, pr, rehab, comunity reltns, lost pts ntwk #barkoutloud |
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robertforto:
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Q1 fosters, volunteers, rescues, breed specific #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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TNR=Trap Neuter Release #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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Retentn= Pet Retention Programs #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@dancingdogblog Yikes! That's a long list #barkoutloud |
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WillMyDogHateMe:
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@dancingdogblog Still a bit confused. Is that minimum required for #nokill? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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We'll get a bit more indepth with some of those.... #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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Me too. RT @WillMyDogHateMe: @dancingdogblog Still a bit confused. Is that minimum required for #nokill? #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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@WillMyDogHateMe Depends on who you're talking to, but it is comprehensive & that's what works #barkoutloud |
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Bolonee:
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do stronger s/n laws help a shelter become no kill? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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Q2 You are the VP of Lake Shore Animal Shelter, Chicago's oldest No Kill Shelter. Tell us a little about your biz model & operation #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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A1 If you pick and choose from the list you'll probably lose lives unnecessarily #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@dancingdogblog So, a shelter cant "skimp" ... it's all or nothing? #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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A2 All volntr, use shared resourcs model in dogdaycare cntr;socialization ez transitn. Pets not qualified 4 no cage life r fostrd
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WillMyDogHateMe:
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@dancingdogblog A1 is the list part of the formal No Kill (i.e., Nathan Winograd) movement or one created by your shelter? #barkoutloud |
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robertforto:
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Q1 I dont agree its all or nothing. Many no-kill shelters do great work in just one area #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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RT @robertforto: Q1 I dont agree its all or nothing. Many no-kill shelters do great work in just one area *Interesting* #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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@Mod_Mary A1 No Kills are not all on same page, and we all came to see what we needed to do over time - Nathan has a formula #barkoutloud |
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robertforto:
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Q1 agree not all are on same page but many have a mission. but saving one is saving one #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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A1 (contd) that many were putting in place or had plans to do so. Not all these programs are well implemented but all are targeted #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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@robertforto A1 agree - we do save one life at a time at that life is v. important to that dog or cat #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@robertforto Are there specific items on the list that you disagree with? #barkoutloud |
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robertforto:
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@Mod_Lorie no. i disagreed with someone saying that: all or nothing #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@robertforto Gotcha. Thanks #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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A1 I think there are more resource problems than disagreements; think this takes time and money and cooperation btw groups #barkoutloud |
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lookwhatlabs:
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@dancingdogblog is there a website or link to the program sounds gr8 #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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A1 This is not incumbent on one group to do, either; communities can become team to implement their own strengths & win #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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I linked to Nathan Winograd http://www.nathanwinograd.com/ #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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You can find Mary on her blog...www.dancingdogblog.com #barkoutloud |
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robertforto:
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@dancingdogblog agreed #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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A2 It's great to have dogs in daycare, but also limiting making foster homes essential to working with shy or aggressive to assess #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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This chat is Part 1of 2. later this summer we'll welcome Mary back... topic, "No-Kill: how's it working and how long will it take?" #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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A2 getting and keeping good foster familys is really hard work - they adopt, they end up with too many pets to foster again... #barkoutloud |
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DREAMRescue:
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A2 how do you recruit / use foster homes for shy / behavior issue dogs? #barkoutloud |
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robertforto:
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Q2 response: in my practice I see a lot of non-kills shelters utilizing behavior mod. more and more #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@dancingdogblog I wondered abt that....how many ppl adopt the dog they foster? #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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@DREAMRescue Usually we have a volunteer that will work with dog and trainer at home #barkoutloud |
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robertforto:
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Q2 constraint of non kill is always money Re: behavior mod #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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I'm one of the adopters who has too many to foster :(
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dancingdogblog:
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@Mod_Mary Off the top of my head, I'd say half! #barkoutloud |
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DogWorksTC:
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A2: Not enough fosters take dogs to training classes #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@robertforto Can you talk more about that? Beh. modification? #barkoutloud |
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robertforto:
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Q2: key to success of behavior mod working with no kill/rescue is working with the new perm. owner of the pet too #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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In my rescue 60%! RT @Mod_Mary: @dancingdogblog I wondered abt that....how many ppl adopt the dog they foster? #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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@robertforto Yes and this economy does not lend trainers who want to do free or low cost work, either:) #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@dancingdogblog Are the dogs evaluated at all before they come into the facility or does evaluation come after? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@DogWorksTC Okay... that's what Robert is talking about... #barkoutloud |
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DREAMRescue:
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DREAM really tries to discourage adoption of our foster dogs by the fosters. I make them go through "3 levels of lecture" LOL #barkoutloud |
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WillMyDogHateMe:
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What's that? RT @DREAMRescue. I make them go through "3 levels of lecture" LOL #barkoutloud |
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robertforto:
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@dancingdogblog so true, economy is tough on trainers but behavior mod is essential to a lot of the success of rescue/no kill dogs #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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Wondering about that too. RT @WillMyDogHateMe: Whats that? RT @DREAMRescue. I make them go through "3 levels of lecture" LOL #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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@dancingdogblog A2 Why not make all adopters fosters and then they and dog get training and dog gets home #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@dancingdogblog So, who pays for the training, Mary? #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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@Mod_Lorie We tend to take a lot of our dogs from ACC and rescues downstate and have no way of evaluating other than phone #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@dancingdogblog So no real sense of dog's behavioral issues until the dog actually arrives at shelter, it sounds like. #barkoutloud |
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lookwhatlabs:
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RT @robertforto: @dancingdogblog I hate it when folks don`t call me back, dog that really needs help #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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@Mod_Mary LSAS does until dog is adopted of course #barkoutloud |
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robertforto:
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RE behavior mod (assuming that is still Q1) yes, rescues are short on money but often behavior mod insures success of placement #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@dancingdogblog How about after the adoption? Does the cost of adoption include some training? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@dancingdogblog Does most of your funding come from contributions, fund raisers, other sources? #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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@Mod_Lorie We do use the same language to describe issues that may have been noted and most are honest in assessing; health issues. #barkoutloud |
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lookwhatlabs:
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@robertforto @dancingdogblog I volunteer as behavior consultant for local lab rescue, volunteers so important #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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@Mod_Lorie ..can be stealthy, and medical costs have skyrocketed over these last couple of years #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Q3: What i the importance of high-volume, low-cost spay/neuter programs to LSAS mission to saving animals? #barkoutloud |
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WillMyDogHateMe:
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Good 4 you RT @lookwhatlabs: I volunteer as behavior consultant for local lab rescue, volunteers so important #barkoutloud |
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robertforto:
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@lookwhatlabs yes volunteering is a good thing but many of us still do this as a day job too. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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Yes, no doubt. RT @dancingdogblog: @Mod_Lorie ..can be stealthy, and medical costs have skyrocketed over these last couple of years #barkoutloud |
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robertforto:
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Q3: importance is high with spay/neuter. should be an essential part of any no-kill shelter plan #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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@Mod_Lorie Most funding is from outside sources, bequests (when lucky) small grants, community donations and events #barkoutloud |
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DREAMRescue:
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@Mod_Lorie "3 levels of lecture" for fosters who want to adopt -- reminding them how much foster is needed, how many lives saved. #barkoutloud |
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lookwhatlabs:
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@robertforto yes I need the $$ coming in too. have to restrict how much volunteering one can do. everyone needs a #discount #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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A3 Vital. Stops flow?noted in Chi that kitten intake has dropped significantly due to s/n efforts in place + new TreeHouse clinic. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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How to be sure that s/n is available/accessible? Lots of folks complain abt it...too hard to access... not good service..., etc. #barkoutloud |
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robertforto:
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@lookwhatlabs leaned you can discount your way to bankruptcy though. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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@dancingdogblog Is spay/neuter service offered at your facility? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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One person told me they would never take their animal to the only lowcost s/n vet in their area... #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@dancingdogblog Do you have a clinic devoted to s/n or make arrangements with local hospitals to do this? #barkoutloud |
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DREAMRescue:
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S/N is huge in moving to no-kill community. We partner with www.atlantapets.org here, great low-cost / high-volume clinic. #barkoutloud |
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lookwhatlabs:
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@robertforto yes I have learned to say no without too much problem, spent many $$ learning the trade #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Why? RT @Mod_Mary: One person told me they would never take their animal to the only lowcost s/n vet in their area... #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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@Mod_Mary A3 That a tough one - needs major donor 2 estblsh network across S & SW for s/n, get vet techs to work #barkoutloud |
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robertforto:
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@lookwhatlabs yes expertise is essential even with working with nokill shelters. IMO money invested will + to success for placement #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@Mod_Mary Are they concerned about quality of work at LCHV s/n clinic or just don't want to s/n at all #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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@Mod_Lorie No facility of our own, we use Anti-Cruelty and TreeHouse #barkoutloud |
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WillMyDogHateMe:
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Curious too. Snobs? RT @Mod_Lorie: @Mod_Mary Are they concerned about quality of work at LCHV s/n clinic o dont want to s/n at all #barkoutloud |
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Bolonee:
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We have s/n laws in place here. Hard to prove/enforce tho..people would rather give up there pets than pay a fine #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@Mod_Lorie Quality of work... #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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@Mod_Lorie and we are thankful that low cost has been avail - before it was a fortune for a shelter to get females spayed #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@dancingdogblog Are there s/n laws in effect in Chicago? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@Bolonee What? S/N by law? #barkoutloud |
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DogWorksTC:
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have a client who exp bad s/n on rescued GSD - pd $$$ with new vet - rescue did run through with free clinic #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@dancingdogblog Yes, especially spaying mature animals, can be expensive. #barkoutloud |
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Keeping_Awake:
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@Mod_Mary I think many shelters now s/n as a matter of course before adoption
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dancingdogblog:
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@mod_Lorie, yes SN microchip shots, and LSAS does heartworm too #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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Not so. :(RT @Keeping_Awake: @Mod_Mary I think many shelters now s/n as a matter of course before adoption #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@dancingdogblog That's great, microchips, shots and heartworm in addition to s/n #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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@Keeping_Awake Our shelter used to s/n all pets, but low $$ led to only s/n for purebreeds #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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Q4 How does a Shelter's public face and employee attitude positively promote adoption of animals? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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My dog too. RT @DogWorksTC: have a client who exp bad s/n on rescued GSD #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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Snds like no kill hav bttr policy RT @DogWorksTC: RT: Thats great, microchips, shots and heartworm in addition to s/n #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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@Mod_Lorie LSAS was speutering b4 it was law, did not make sense to perpetuate our own problems; spaying mature is dicey #barkoutloud |
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Bolonee:
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Yes..u have to have a breeders license to have intact animals. @Mod_Mary #barkoutloud |
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DREAMRescue:
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Most shelters in SE still allow dogs out unaltered -- just a commitment by owner to do it, unenforced. Very frustrating. #barkoutloud |
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robertforto:
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Q4 110% #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@Bolonee Wow... ! #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@dancingdogblog Agree that s/n is way to go. Best if s/n before leave facility, I think, instead of relying on new owner. #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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Q4 Frndly pro staff, clean bright facility, happy pets=success n adoptrs/donrs eyes. Dispells myth tht shelters r bad places 2go. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@robertforto ha! Yes! #barkoutloud |
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DogWorksTC:
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RT: @Bolonee: Yes, u have to have a breeders license.....that's a GREAT idea #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@DREAMRescue Yes, same here in RI. S/N required for dogs adopted from shelter but no enforcement. A lot of new owners don't bother #barkoutloud |
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robertforto:
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@dancingdogblog dont think you need to have state of the art facility to do great work though #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@dancingdogblog How about cageless shelters? Are these beginning to happen with frequency? #barkoutloud |
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Keeping_Awake:
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@DREAMRescue That's how it was when I got Jess from a shelter outside Atlanta-gave me a certificate for low cost spay
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Bolonee:
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But hard to enforce RT @DogWorksTC: RT: @Bolonee: Yes, u have to have a breeders license.....that's a GREAT idea #barkoutloud |
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lookwhatlabs:
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RT @DREAMRescue: Most shelters in SE still allow dogs out unaltered -- just a commitment by owner to do it, unenforced. Very frustrating. #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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@Mod_Lorie With kittens pups we foster to future adopter, pick up for s/n and return, then they adopt...we don't want to early s/n #barkoutloud |
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robertforto:
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@robertforto know a siberian rescue/no kill that uses part of her sled dog kennel. far from state of art #barkoutloud |
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danielbeattydvm:
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The only problem I see with s/n prior to leaving the facility are puppies. Many are being s/n too early #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@Keeping_Awake Me, too, for Jazz... Katrina mutt.. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@dancingdogblog What age do you typically spay/neuter? #barkoutloud |
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robertforto:
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@danielbeattydvm good point re: puppies #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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@Mod_Mary LSAS is cageless, Felines Inc cageless - think it scares most:) #barkoutloud |
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DogWorksTC:
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@Bolonee: I'm all for encouraging every owner doing CGC #barkoutloud |
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Keeping_Awake:
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@danielbeattydvm Agree that many are s/n too young now just to be sure it happens at all
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Mod_Mary:
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@robertforto I think most any place that's clean and staff is friendly and excited abt their animals is "State of the art".... #barkoutloud |
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Bolonee:
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We have lots of intact animals in my neighborhood AND lots of litters #barkoutloud |
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dino_dogan:
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How realistic it is to engage vets to accept optional donations-only for spay/neuter? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Local shelter and rescues often spay/neuter early. My pup at 6wks. Many issues. But how else prove s/n when adopted? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@Bolonee : ( #barkoutloud |
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dino_dogan:
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sorry if its off the point #barkoutloud |
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robertforto:
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@Mod_Mary agreed! #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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@Mod_Lorie We go by breed, size to optimize health and allow hormones to do their job before stopping internal growth process #barkoutloud |
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DogWorksTC:
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GSD I mentioned earlier was spayed at 1 yr - they missed more than half and respayed at 3yrs now has kidney issues #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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@dancingdogblog What does cageless mean? What about any aggression? #barkoutloud |
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Keeping_Awake:
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@dino_dogan I think it's a good point. My low-cost certificate certainly required the vet giving away most of that service! #barkoutloud |
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danielbeattydvm:
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@dancingdogblog That is great! Wish I could get the shelters around here to do that. #barkoutloud |
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robertforto:
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RE spay/neuter of puppies. Is it too hard for rescue/no-kill to have policy of follow up? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@dino_dogan A lot of us (vets) donate services to shelters/rescues to aid in s/n. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Q5: How is shelter's staff and leadership a key factor in carrying out the mission of a No-Kill shelter? #barkoutloud |
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lookwhatlabs:
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@Keeping_Awake yup Vets are also pressed into doing lots of volunteer work #barkoutloud |
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Bolonee:
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Thanks for that! RT @Mod_Lorie: @dino_dogan A lot of us (vets) donate services to shelters/rescues to aid in s/n. #barkoutloud |
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robertforto:
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Q5 leadership is most important to company's vision/mission if no leadership + nightmare #barkoutloud |
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DogWorksTC:
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A5: Significant factor....leadership of the staff shows commitments #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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If you're not a CEO of a major wall street company... you're probably doing alot of volunteer work.... #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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A5Leadrshp (pet & ppl)mgmt, mktg, fr, comunity/indstry reltns, pr=likely success. Stf mst reflect spirit or misn compromised. Tmwk #barkoutloud |
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lookwhatlabs:
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@robertforto that is a great question, follow-up policies. rescue I volunteer 4 does outstanding followup work #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@dancingdogblog What does fr stand for? #barkoutloud |
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robertforto:
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@dancingdogblog actually posting a series of articles starting tomorrow about this very ? http://www.denverdogworks.com #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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@Mod_Lorie FR= fundraising #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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I was quite unhappy w my local shelter...when I had probs w my pup fr. the south...thought I needed to give her up, staff was rude. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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Ahh..should have been able to figure that out. Thanks. RT @dancingdogblog: @Mod_Lorie FR= fundraising #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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@robertforto Great! I'll have to stop by:) #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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not a No-Kill shelter. They said, sure, drop her off. We'll temp. test her and euthan. if she doesn't pass... #barkoutloud |
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robertforto:
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@dancingdogblog thanks. its abt a company's leadership, vision and mission re: consistent team work+success #barkoutloud |
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DogWorksTC:
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Hear too many times about rude staff @Mod_Mary #barkoutloud |
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Bolonee:
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To some its just a job, yes?#barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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i've missed most of the chat but have u touched on city pounds vs shelters? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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@robertforto Cool; glad you're posting the blogs about this. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@DogWorksTC No more of my money to them...
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Mod_Lorie:
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@Mod_Mary Unfortunately, there are too many shelters with that type of attitude :-( #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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@robertforto HA! What's that about great minds (tee hee) - seriously, it's sooo essential to success! #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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Q6 What is a Pet Retention program and how does LSAS Pet Retention program help keep people and their animal companions together? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Same w/ my shelter. RT @Mod_Mary: not a No-Kill shelter. Sure, drop her off. Well temp. test her and euthan. if she doesnt pass... #barkoutloud |
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robertforto:
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@dancingdogblog agree! #barkoutloud |
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robertforto:
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Q6 thats a great question. I think pet retention program is key to any shelter's success #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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@Bolonee Yes, to many in the gvt sheltering system, it's just a job--that's a huge hurdle to surmount #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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Yup. Me too. RT @DogWorksTC: Hear too many times about rude staff @Mod_Mary #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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Big problem! RT @dancingdogblog: @Bolonee Yes, to many in the gvt sheltering system, its just a job-thats a huge hurdle to surmount #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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Q6LSAS has helpline, communicates w/public& adptrs, nip behvr/med prbs n bud, note envrnmtl triggers, have trainrs, food banks2.
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DaisyWunderDog:
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I know I'm off Q format, but do no-kills use Meet Your Match prog? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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maybe shelter employees just get "numb" to it all? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@DaisyWunderDog Great question! #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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@Bolonee @Mod_Lorie In gvt systems you have Union too and that's another barrier to excellent care that needs to be worked around #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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Sad that could happen, but can see how it could be possible :-( RT @Mod_Mary: maybe shelter employees just get "numb" to it all? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Our shelter does, but not no-kill. RT @DaisyWunderDog: I know Im off Q format, but do no-kills use Meet Your Match prog? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@dancingdogblog Oh, yes, unions, seniority and nepotism big problems, in my experience. #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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We aren't either RT @Mod_Hilary: Our shelter does, but not no-kill. #MeetYourMatch #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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We don't have any shelters do a meet & greet here outside of SPCA #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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@Mod_Mary LSAS tagline is "matching people with pets since 1966" so yes, not new concept but great 2 organize ideas 3 ez copy #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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Nepotism! Drvs me crazy! RT @Mod_Lorie: @dancingdogblog Oh, yes, unions, senority and nepotism big problems, in my experience. #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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Oh, that should have been "for ez replication" systems are impt #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Any other questions for @dancingdogblog tonight? Interesting topic; we'll have a second part about the No-Kill movement. #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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Yes. Why not make all adopters fosters first? #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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I would like to know what can be done for a change in city pound policies, outragous here #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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@daisywunderdog committment - most adpters want to adopt, not foster, but that is a good idea if we can wrangle them into it:) #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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I can't get real specific but the dog that was at the city pound for 3 days came home covered in feces, they didn't care #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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@dancingdogblog Got it. I just wish people could try fostering so they work with dog and addrss issues-builds bond
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dancingdogblog:
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@tacrabtree that is awful! #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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@tacrabtree OMG! That's awful. Probably due to # of dogs and low # of staff? #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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@DaisyWunderDog - I agree with fostering too #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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So many dogs with issues, sometimes insurmountable. Hard to find foster or adopter willing to work with them. #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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@DaisyWunderDog - actually no, they really didn't care, another was throwing up #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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@tacrabtree Actually now that I thnk abt it, both Daisy & Jasper needed baths when I fostered/adopted them. #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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guess that could be topic for another night, how to get thru the gov red tape to help make better #barkoutloud |
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Keeping_Awake:
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Who do you call for a problem like the dog covered in feces? Who does oversight? #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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Gd pt RT @Mod_Hilary: So many dogs with issues, sometimes insurmountable. Hard to find foster or adopter willing to work with them. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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We will have part 2. RT @tacrabtree: guess that could be topic for another night, how 2 get thru gov red tape to help make better #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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@Keeping_Awake - really?? there is no police to watch the police! #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@Keeping_Awake Think that probably depends on your local community. Here, city pound under police dept. Other areas are different. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@dancingdogblog How to just take the first step? Re: city pound policies... #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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@Mod_Hilary - that is great - food for thot, maybe there is an answer out there somewhere #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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animal control is part of police dept here, so complaining falls on deaf ears #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Matter of priorities & $. RT @tacrabtree: @Mod_Hilary - that is great - food for thot, maybe there is an answer out there somewhere #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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@Mod_Mary try to get volunteer group into city pounds. Then animals have a voice, outside agent to question status quo #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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Well, we gotta wrap up this chat for tonight... later this summer... part 2..."No-Kill Success and timeline"... #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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I'd like to say thanx to @dancingdogblog for being our guest this evening. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@dancingdogblog Thanks for joining us tonight, Mary. Interesting topic-lot of possibilities. I'll get that martini ice for you :-) #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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Thanks to all for chatting! Had fun:) #barkoutloud |