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April 12, 2010
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turtlelady81:
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I'd like to formally introduce and welcome Debbie Jacobs, @fearfuldogs.
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turtlelady81:
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Debbie is back with us to discuss a topic that we thought would be an interesting one/ #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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Debbie specializes in living with and rehabilitating shy and/or fearful dogs. Welcome @fearfuldogs. It's great to have you back! #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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bowing, smiling a bit self-consciously, and nodding my thanks to you all #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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Okay! Let's get started! #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Q1: What is mindfulness? #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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A1 I will be paraphrasing some of Jon Kabat-Zinn?s quotes but you can read an intro 2 a book here
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fearfuldogs:
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http://tinyurl.com/y7e9dcn
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fearfuldogs:
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A1 Mindfulness means paying attention in a particular way: on purpose, in the present moment, and nonjudgmentally
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ComfyPaws:
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@fearfuldogs does mindfulness include watching body language? #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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A2 noting triggers thresholds important 4 fearful dog handlers
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turtlelady81:
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@fearfuldogs Do you have more to add to the def. of mindfulness? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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Q2. What does mindfulness have to do with my fearful dog? #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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@ComfyPaws yes body language, breathing, positioning #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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Like it or not, this moment is all we have 2work with.Mindfulness is abt waking up & living in harmony w ourselves& the world. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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OK, please let us know if we're still describing what mindfulness is. Or are we on Q2 already? #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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RT @barrie_tc: RT @fearfuldogs: Q2 noting triggers thresholds important 4 fearful dog handlers (Trigger thesholds?) #barkoutloud |
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ComfyPaws:
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@fearfuldogs thanks for that response - I'm thinking maybe facial expression, too #Q1 #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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Mindfulness has to do with examining who we are...it has to do with being in touch.? #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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Mindfulness provides a simple but powerful route for getting ourselves ?unstuck?, back into touch with our own wisdom and vitality. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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@fearfuldogs Q1 Can you go into a little more detail about mindfulness?? #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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When we commit ourselves 2 paying attn in open way w/o falling prey 2 our projections and expectations new possibilities open up #barkoutloud |
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barrie_tc:
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0fRT @fearfuldogs: body language, breathing, positioning <-dog's? handler's? #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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Body language, the scent given off by emotions ppl have? #barkoutloud |
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gooddogz:
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@fearfuldogs R we supposed to be mindful, the dogs or both? #barkoutloud |
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ComfyPaws:
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@fearfuldogs aahh watching with 'soft' eyes #Q1 #barkoutloud |
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kimhalligan1:
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I think it also about being mindful of not just your dog, but of yourself? #barkoutloud |
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gooddogz:
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never mind--I get it!
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fearfuldogs:
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@ComfyPaws facial expression, tail position, movement or lack of it #barkoutloud |
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wholedogcamp:
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I notice people get very embarrassed and uptight when their dog reacts. Human reaction worse than the dog's! #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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So basically paying full attention with all body's senses and without judgement or expectations? #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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RT @kimhalligan1: I think it also about being mindful of not just your dog, but of yourself? Exactly. #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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@gooddogz i think that our dogs r mindful of us but r often ignored
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ComfyPaws:
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@fearfuldogs by George I think I've got it #A1 #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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A1: RT @wholedogcamp I notice people get very embarrassed and uptight when their dog reacts. Human reaction worse than the dog's! #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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I think mindfulness has more to do with us than it has to do with our dogs. #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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paying attn 2 how we r feeling so we can understand y we r responding the way we r
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kimhalligan1:
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@wholedogcamp I think your right on mark with that. The calmer I am the better I can manage my dogs. The better they are. #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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Q1-RT @fearfuldogs: paying attn 2 how we r feeling so we can understand y we r responding the way we r #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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It's how ppl choose to respond.
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TheSophDog:
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@wholedogcamp People's embarrassment is transmitted to dogs and can exacerbate situation in my experience, too. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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RT @fearfuldogs: paying attn 2 how we r feeling so we can understand y we r responding the way we r #barkoutloud |
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wvterry:
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It's not so much trying to be objective but embrassing the subjectivity of the moment. #Bark Out Loud |
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tacrabtree:
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I think dogs can smell fear if there person has it & can take a cue from that #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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It is a way to take charge of the direction and quality of our own lives, inc our relationships within the family, and our dogs. #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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RT @TheSophDog: @wholedogcamp Peoples embarrassment is transmitted to dogs and can exacerbate situation in my experience, too. #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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being calm slows the world down which helps when it comes 2 making choices #barkoutloud |
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barrie_tc:
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RT @fearfuldogs: being calm slows the world down which helps when it comes 2 making choices #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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@fearfuldogs A1 what kind of choices would we make when we slow the world down? #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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Applicable to whole life! RT @fearfuldogs: being calm slows the world down which helps when it comes 2 making choices #barkoutloud |
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kimhalligan1:
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@turtlelady81 Its very hard to not react when your dog is. Much easier as time goes by I get better at it. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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RT @Mod_Hilary: @fearfuldogs A1 what kind of choices would we make when we slow the world down? #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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So, are pretty clear about what mindfulness means in this context? Shall we go on and talk abt it in relation to our dogs? #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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ppl shouldn't get caught up in thinking that IF ONLY i wasn't afraid my dog wldn't be either. #barkoutloud |
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ComfyPaws:
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ppls' embarrassment is sign of lack of acceptance or the situation and *reacting* ... being in touch is softer #barkoutloud |
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TheSophDog:
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Desire to avoid embarrassment (which is punishing to us) often leads to inappropriate behavior in humans. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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@DaisyWunderDog A1 Not sure dog knows embarrassment, but can detect something. #barkoutloud |
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RustyDawgPetPro:
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Sandy & I have been practicing not reacting for the past 10 yrs! We're getting better! #barkoutloud |
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barrie_tc:
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RT @TheSophDog: Desire to avoid embarrassment (which is punishing to us) often leads to inappropriate behavior in humans. <- agree! #barkoutloud |
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WillMyDogHateMe:
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A1 I know when I'm rushing around 2 find keys & Frankie follows me, I get more stressed. I stop, he stops - keys found. #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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a shaved hound dog is embarrassed & hides! Only did that once, thot it would help in the heat - wrong! #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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OK, Lorie, what's the next question? #barkoutloud |
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wvterry:
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A1 Being in the moment is the key for me #Bark Out Loud |
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TheSophDog:
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Mindfulness should help avoid handlers punishing dogs to avoid embarrassment. @fearfuldogs, is my meaning clear? #barkoutloud |
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mushrome:
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RT @aivzdog: Dogs react to the energy we give off. We need to watch ourselves because a lot of the time we do not realize our own energy. #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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@WillMyDogHateMe Can so relate to that one. #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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RT @wvterry: A1 Being in the moment is the key for me #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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@RustyDawgPetPro - Yes it does take practice not to react, now I know I was partly to blame for dog behaviour, bad me! #barkoutloud |
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DebsSweet:
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@tacrabtree A friend of mine shaved his dog and his dog was embarrassed too! Didn't want to go outside #barkoutloud |
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wholedogcamp:
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#barkoutloud A1 we reinforce behavior by making it a big deal rather than ignoring it. Sometimes all the human freaking cements the behavior |
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turtlelady81:
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@TheSophDog I think you're spot on! Spot...on... #barkoutloud |
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SatokoHI:
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RT @kimhalligan1: I think it also about being mindful of not just your dog, but of yourself? #barkoutloud |
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wvterry:
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Embarrassment is a reaction to something that is already in the past #Bark Out Loud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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RT @wholedogcamp: A1 we reinforce behavior by making it a big deal rather than ignoring it. Human freaking cements the behavior #barkoutloud |
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RustyDawgPetPro:
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@tacrabtree Bad me too! I learned a long time ago not to give her signals thru her leash etc. I was doing a lot to encourage it :(
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tacrabtree:
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Rewarding the positive & not punishing the negative has snow balled into much better behavior #barkoutloud |
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ComfyPaws:
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@turtlelady81 yup @TheSophDog got it right on the nose ... or is that muzzle? #barkoutloud |
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barrie_tc:
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A1 I c embarrassment also leading to permissiveness rather than conscious +R training #barkoutloud |
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kimhalligan1:
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Knowing how to manage a fearful dog correctly & being calm & in the moment is key for me. Trust is rebuilt. #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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@ComfyPaws : ) #barkoutloud |
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RustyDawgPetPro:
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We now go out armed with treats & when scary dogs are in site lots of treats 4 Sandy & she focuses on treats instead of dog.
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turtlelady81:
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@barrie_tc whatcha mean by permissiveness, Barrie? #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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So agree. RT @kimhalligan1: Knwing how 2 mng a fearful dog correctly & being calm & in the moment is key for me. Trust is rebuilt. #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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I don't know what energy dogs pick up on, or if they do, so I work on my responses 2 their behavior at that moment #barkoutloud |
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wholedogcamp:
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There is human social pressure, when a dog reacts. For dogs, most reactivity is not such a problem. #barkoutloud they bark and forget it |
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barrie_tc:
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@turtlelady81 hmm permissiveness meaning treating constantly w/o real though of what u want dog 2 learn? #barkoutloud |
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so_tweet:
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@tacrabtree That seems to work 4 me 2. Rewarding positive, not punishing for negative. Not sure they get point I'm trying to make. #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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@kimhalligan1 - I too have stopped reacting as much as possilbe, the trust is getting tight, it's great #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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A1 Management is very key. RT @kimhalligan1 Knowing how to manage a fearful dog correctly & being calm & in the moment. Trust. #barkoutloud |
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TheSophDog:
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@fearfuldogs Yes, and mindfulness helps us make wise conscious choices. #barkoutloud |
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LorieAHuston:
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Q2. What does mindfulness have to do with my fearful dog? #barkoutloud |
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TheSophDog:
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@wvterry Excellent point! #barkoutloud |
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wvterry:
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@kimhalligan1 So being mindful is also acknowlement of what we are experiencing in the now as well #Bark Out Loud |
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dancingdogblog:
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RT @fearfuldogs: I dont know what energy dogs pick up on, or if they do, so I work on my responses 2 their behavior at that moment #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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Am I wrong to think mindful
ness is more than just rewarding positive behavior? #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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@barrie_tc yeah, I can relate to that... #barkoutloud |
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RustyDawgPetPro:
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@wholedogcamp agree! I see ppl jerking/choking dogs who are excited/reactive and it just makes dog act worse&ppl doing it look bad! #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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w fearful dogs the use of treats/play can change the emotional landscape 4 the dog & change the behavior #barkoutloud |
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HappyHealthyPup:
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RT @fearfuldogs I don't know what energy dogs pick up on, or if they do, so I work on my responses 2 their behavior at that moment #barkoutloud |
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gooddogz:
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Since I went to BAT seminar, I am using food less for fearful dogs #justsayin #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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@DaisyWunderDog it is not abt rewarding any behavior, it's abt noticing it IMO #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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@DaisyWunderDog Not at all. Mindfulness is definitely more than that, I think... #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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I don't use paper, bad dog anymore. Now it is just leave it, & it seems to get thru better for me at least with my beasts #barkoutloud |
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DebsSweet:
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@RustyDawgPetPro I see that too! I've been known to suggest a harness if they feel they need to CHOKE something grr #barkoutloud |
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barrie_tc:
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RT @gooddogz: Since I went to BAT seminar, I am using food less for fearful dogs #justsayin <- click click functional reward <g> #barkoutloud |
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TTC_Queen:
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Amen! RT @fearfuldogs: w fearful dogs the use of treats/play can change the emotional landscape 4 the dog & change the behavior #barkoutloud |
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kimhalligan1:
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@tacrabtree Its easy to get caught up dogs reacting. Calm is key. I reward good behaviors & ignore the dogs that dont give it. #barkoutloud |
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ComfyPaws:
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@gooddogz I use treats so sporadically the dog just never knows when one is forth coming but always looks for it
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wvterry:
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And you are talking about more than behavior but emotion as well, right? #Bark Out Loud |
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tacrabtree:
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my fearful dawg is afraid of the clicker! #barkoutloud |
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kimhalligan1:
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@Gooddogz I also am starting to use less food rewards with BAT training. I watch what my dog want to do, more. #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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@gooddogz 4 dogs w no relationship w handler food may be the way 2 start but not only way 4 sure. space is a reward #barkoutloud |
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TheSophDog:
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@gooddogz BAT uses a very powerful reinforcer too, of course -- the distance or other functional reward. #barkoutloud |
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WillMyDogHateMe:
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Too funny! RT @tacrabtree: my fearful dawg is afraid of the clicker! #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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emotions decrease when rewarded, behaviors increase #barkoutloud |
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ComfyPaws:
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@tacrabtree I don't use a clicker either - I'm too uncoordinated to click, hold a lead and walk #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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Can we back up to mindfulness and your dog? #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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NO not funny LOL RT @WillMyDogHateMe: Too funny! RT @tacrabtree: my fearful dawg is afraid of the clicker! #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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@tacrabtree u don't need 2 use a clicker u can use a marker word #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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I don't see mindfulness as having to do w a dog's behavior or whether or not we reward. It's about ppl. Just my take. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Can u expand? Haven't taken BAT. Space is a reward? Not treats for fearful dog? #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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RT @DaisyWunderDog: Can we back up to mindfulness and your dog? #barkoutloud |
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avlpetsitter:
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A2.mindfulness goes hand n hand w management. Knowing which situations avoid, noticing reactions almost before they begin #barkoutloud #barkoutloud |
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barrie_tc:
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RT @WillMyDogHateMe: Too funny! RT @tacrabtree: my fearful dawg is afraid of the clicker! <-very common use voice marker and d/s #barkoutloud |
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TheSophDog:
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@tacrabtree Try other markers -- iClick, ClickerPlus, tab of retractable pen, etc. #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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Q2 How do we use mindfulness with our fearful dogs? #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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"yes" works for me, no clicker! #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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RT @DaisyWunderDog: Can we back up to mindfulness and your dog? #barkoutloud |
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HappyHealthyPup:
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RT @fearfuldogs (rewards) 4 dogs w no relationship w handler food may be the way 2 start but not only way 4 sure. space is a reward #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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RT @DaisyWunderDog: Q2 How do we use mindfulness with our fearful dogs? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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RT @DaisyWunderDog: Q2 How do we use mindfulness with our fearful dogs? #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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@avlpetsitter yes, thank you! #barkoutloud |
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LorieAHuston:
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RT @turtlelady81: RT @DaisyWunderDog: Q2 How do we use mindfulness with our fearful dogs? #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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Ha! RT @WillMyDogHateMe: Too funny! RT @tacrabtree: my fearful dawg is afraid of the clicker! #barkoutloud |
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barrie_tc:
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BAT info https://ahimsadogtraining.com/store/proddetail.php?prod=MCH-0103 #barkoutloud |
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so_tweet:
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Got lost with BAT training. #barkoutloud |
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kimhalligan1:
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@fearfuldogs Yes space has become my fearful dogs reward. I'm more mindful of dogs needs,wants. #barkoutloud |
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wvterry:
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RT @turtlelady81: RT @DaisyWunderDog: Can we back up to mindfulness and your dog? #Bark Out Loud |
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TheSophDog:
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@Mod_Hilary DM me and I can send you more info on BAT. #barkoutloud |
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RustyDawgPetPro:
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I try to curve,avoid other dog but not always possible so treats work wonders & get focus away from scary dog=non reactive behavior #barkoutloud |
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AndrewLedford:
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Mindfulness = Awareness ? Awareness is part of one?s personal rules developed through self cultivation #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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A2 each moment our dogs r telling us something abt what they want. we can use that 2 either motivate or c their choice #barkoutloud |
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so_tweet:
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@barrie_tc TY for the BAT training link. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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@TheSophDog Thanks. I do have info, just haven't taken BAT. Thanks! I'll dm later! #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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@AndrewLedford can you expand on that? #barkoutloud |
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wvterry:
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@fearfuldogs Can you say more about how you present when you are being mindful of your dog? #Bark Out Loud |
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HappyHealthyPup:
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@kimhalligan1: @fearfuldogs Yes space has become my fearful dogs reward. I'm more mindful of dogs needs,wants. #barkoutloud <--- <3 that Kim!! |
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fearfuldogs:
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@wvterry how I present? #barkoutloud |
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LorieAHuston:
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A2. Mindfulness can help us determine what specific things our dogs fear, yes? #barkoutloud |
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RustyDawgPetPro:
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Especially with Sandys injured leg cant risk her reacting & hurting herself so I do whatever works for her-be it space, treats etc #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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RT @LorieAHuston: A2. Mindfulness can help us determine what specific things our dogs fear, yes? Excellent...yes. I thinkso. #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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So thinking ahead on walks, thinking what could make him afraid, if I see something, it is sit, look at me, until it passes #barkoutloud |
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TheSophDog:
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@tacrabtree Visual & tactile markers also option. Verbal markers sometimes less effective due to human issues with language #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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@LorieAHuston A2 yes we need 2 figure out what they're afraid of so we can keep them safe from it or work on DS/CC #barkoutloud |
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kimhalligan1:
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@HappyHealthyPup I'm learning. The BAT training, I do alot of undercover BAT, has helped a lot. #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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A2 So it's about being fully aware when with your dog and seeing w/out judgement or trying to guess fear correct? #barkoutloud |
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TheSophDog:
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@kimhalligan1 @HappyHealthyPup Undercover BAT rocks. #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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Sorry DS/CC ? #barkoutloud |
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WillMyDogHateMe:
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@fearfuldogs How do you distinguish term mindfulness different from paying close attention? Calmer? #barkoutloud |
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LorieAHuston:
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A2. Mindfulness can also give us clues about how our dogs react to what we're doing? #barkoutloud |
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kimhalligan1:
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At the dogpark- Helps a lot for Stanley to be able to go up to fence to greet, then choose to walk away or stay with dog. #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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By noticing what/how long a scared dog wants 2 stare @ we can gauge level of their fear #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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@DaisyWunderDog Yes! Yes! #barkoutloud |
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LorieAHuston:
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@tacrabtree desensitization/counter-conditioning - DS/CC #barkoutloud |
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AndrewLedford:
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When you are dog training and a lamp post is in your way you stop or go around, unless you are not paying attention #Bark Out Loud |
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tacrabtree:
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Mindfulness seems to have more of respect #barkoutloud |
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wvterry:
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@WillMyDogHateMe I see it more as being with your dog in the moment #Bark Out Loud |
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kimhalligan1:
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@TheSophDog @HappyHealthyPup Uncover BAT does rock. I got @DoggieZen s bat video also helped. #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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I think 'close attention' works as well. #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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Yes, thank you RT @LorieAHuston: @tacrabtree desensitization/counter-conditioning - DS/CC #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Don't know what that is yet, but will find out after this chat! @TheSophDog @kimhalligan1 @HappyHealthyPup Undercover BAT rocks. #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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The overall tenor of mindfulness practice is gentle, appreciative, and nurturing. #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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The overall tenor of mindfulness practice is gentle, appreciative, &nurturing. Another way to think of it would be ?heartfulness?.
#barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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This has really helped me with mine RT @fearfuldogs: I think close attention works as well. #barkoutloud |
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AndrewLedford:
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Not mindful of the lamppost ? not being aware of the post = the lamppost stopping your forward progress #barkoutloud |
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RustyDawgPetPro:
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I taught Sandy "Look away"-it helped RT @fearfuldogs: By noticing what/how long a scared dog wants 2 stare @ we guage level fear #barkoutloud |
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WillMyDogHateMe:
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But "mindfulness" is a better term when on twitter, fewer characters RT @fearfuldogs: I think close attention works as well. #barkoutloud |
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barrie_tc:
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@fearfuldogs I took mindfulness to also include an idea of making very conscious decisions no? #barkoutloud |
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KellyGDunbar:
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Well said! You are on fire tonight! RT @fearfuldogs The overall tenor of mindfulness practice is gentle, appreciative, & nurturing. #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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@WillMyDogHateMe we can go w Mness from now on, what ya think? ;) #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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It's not about what our dog duz... it's how we choose to view it... which in turn helps us deal with it. #barkoutloud |
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TheSophDog:
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@kimhalligan1 @happyhealthypup BAT video is definitely a great value. #barkoutloud |
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kimhalligan1:
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@Mod_Hilary Undercover BAT - unsuspecting dog owners included in my working with my dogs Behavior Adjustment Training #barkoutloud |
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avlpetsitter:
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I associate "mindful" w/ a more relaxed state than "paying close attention". "paying attention" could cause me to tense up #barkoutloud #barkoutloud |
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wvterry:
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. Another way to think of it would be ?heartfulness?. I like that #Bark Out Loud |
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fearfuldogs:
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@KellyGDunbar thanx but JK Zinn built that fire! #barkoutloud |
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RustyDawgPetPro:
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Me too :) RT @wvterry: . Another way to think of it would be ?heartfulness?. I like that #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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@TheSophDog We're talking about BAT in a few weeks. Can we hold the BAT conversation until then, plz? #barkoutloud |
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WillMyDogHateMe:
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It's true, there's something about "attention" that suggests vigilance, less gentle than mindfulness #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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RT @kimhalligan1: @Mod_Hilary Undercover BAT - unsuspecting dog owners included in working with dogs Behavior Adjustment Training #barkoutloud |
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TheSophDog:
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@turtlelady81 Heartfullness -- beautifully put. #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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I like the idea of 'attending to' my dogs. not sure y, just do. #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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RT @WillMyDogHateMe: Its true, theres something about "attention" that suggests vigilance, less gentle than mindfulness #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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yes & respect for what they can't help w/o our help RT @wvterry: . Another way to think of it would be ?heartfulness?. I like that #barkoutloud |
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kimhalligan1:
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@wvterry I like that too. "heartfulness" #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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@TheSophDog Kabat-Zinn's word... : ) #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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Yes... I think we're on to something now.. #barkoutloud |
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wvterry:
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@WillMyDogHateMe Again, I think of it more as being with... #Bark Out Loud |
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TheSophDog:
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@turtlelady81 Sorry! #barkoutloud |
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HappyHealthyPup:
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Oops! RT @turtlelady81: @TheSophDog We're talking about BAT in a few weeks. Can we hold the BAT conversation until then, plz? #barkoutloud |
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FangShuiCanines:
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RT @KellyGDunbar A true keeper! RT @fearfuldogs emotions decrease when rewarded, behaviors increase #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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@HappyHealthyPup : ) No problem... #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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Me too. RT @wvterry: @WillMyDogHateMe Again, I think of it more as being with... #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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fearful dogs force us 2 be mindful of how we stand, breathe, gaze, move our hands #barkoutloud |
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wvterry:
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Being with implies a true connection with our dog #Bark Out Loud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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When I'm not mindful or there with my Daisy. That's when things happen that could be prevented. #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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This whole idea of m'fulness has helped me cope with my fearful dog Jane. #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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As a rescue, I have no idea why such a big dog is so afraid of the strangest stuff, but love him to death & will help him always #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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So agree!! RT @fearfuldogs: fearful dogs force us 2 be mindful of how we stand, breathe, gaze, move our hands #barkoutloud |
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barrie_tc:
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RT @fearfuldogs: fearful dogs force us 2 be mindful of how we stand, breathe, gaze, move our hands <- so. true. #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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@tacrabtree the fear was established probably long b4 the size was achieved #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Some ppl don't know how, tho. RT @fearfuldogs: fearful dogs force us 2 be mindful of how we stand, breathe, gaze, move our hands #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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I live each moment with her...don't try to change her into something she can't be. Just try to let her change ME! #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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also tone of voice #barkoutloud |
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barrie_tc:
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fearful dogs though ALSO make us so much more conscious of the world around us :-) #barkoutloud |
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wvterry:
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@turtlelady81 Change you how? #Bark Out Loud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Yes, very much so! RT @tacrabtree also tone of voice #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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RT @barrie_tc: fearful dogs though ALSO make us so much more conscious of the world around us :-) Absolutely...agreed #barkoutloud |
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HappyHealthyPup:
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+ helps build trust/bond: RT turtlelady81: This whole idea of m'fulness has helped me cope with my fearful dog Jane. #barkoutloud |
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RustyDawgPetPro:
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yes I dont set Sandy up 2 fail. RT @turtlelady81: dont try to change her into something she cant be. Just try to let her change ME! #barkoutloud |
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wvterry:
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@barrie_tc And make us more conscious period. #Bark Out Loud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Many clients want quick fix! RT @fearfuldogs @Mod_Hilary there r gr8 books, blogs, trainers, videos that teach abt body language... #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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most of us run roughshod thru our daily lives & dogs usually do a good job of accommodating us. fearful dogs often can't #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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And, no more guilt about it...she and I are in this together...she's the dog who chose me. #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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Key RT @turtlelady81: I live each moment w/her...dont try to change her into something she cant be. Just try to let her change ME! #barkoutloud |
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wvterry:
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Mness and consciousness are closely connected #Bark Out Loud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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@fearfuldogs I wish ppl w/ fearful dogs would take the time to research, but don't necessarily. Good we are mindful here! #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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ppl might want quick fix but they don't usually exist, 4 any problem. #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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Mine too. RT @tacrabtree: Having confident dog, lab as example also has helped my fearful hound. I see him look at her for cues #barkoutloud |
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barrie_tc:
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RT @fearfuldogs: ppl might want quick fix but they dont usually exist, 4 any problem. #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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@tacrabtree yes dogs r very mindful of each other! well some are anyway. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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@tacrabtree I do think that having a confident dog companion does help. Not sure it's been studied, but has been true for me. #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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@Mod_Hilary @fearfuldogs Until I found Deb I searched everywhere for resources and couldn't find them #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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RT @fearfuldogs: ppl might want quick fix but they dont usually exist, 4 any problem. #barkoutloud |
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LorieAHuston:
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I agree. RT @Mod_Hilary: @fearfuldogs I wish ppl w/ fearful dogs would take the time to research. Good we are mindful here! #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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Fearful dogs may never get over all their fears? #barkoutloud |
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wvterry:
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@fearfuldogs If a quick fix were possible we wouldn,t have to talk about it so much #Bark Out Loud |
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tacrabtree:
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me 2 thx RT @DaisyWunderDog: @Mod_Hilary @fearfuldogs Until I found Deb I searched everywhere for resources and couldnt find them #barkoutloud |
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barrie_tc:
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RT @tacrabtree: Fearful dogs may never get over all their fears? #barkoutloud |
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LorieAHuston:
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Yes, very true! RT @barrie_tc: RT @fearfuldogs: ppl might want quick fix but they dont usually exist, 4 any problem. #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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@tacrabtree it is the case that some fear based behaviors & responses may never go away. #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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Amen! RT @wvterry: @fearfuldogs If a quick fix were possible we wouldn,t have to talk about it so much #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Or some fears change? Different phobias w/ mine. RT @tacrabtree Fearful dogs may never get over all their fears? #barkoutloud |
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FlynSam:
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RT @fearfuldogs: @tacrabtree yes dogs r very mindful of each other! well some are anyway. Agree! Fly teaches pups well at this! #barkoutloud |
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RustyDawgPetPro:
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@tacrabtree Sandy is 11,fear started at 1,always making progress but she'll never be "better".Shes taught me alot! #barkoutloud |
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barrie_tc:
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First time I ever tweeted w @fearfuldogs she taught me about teaching jb a nose touch which is still our go 2 meet :-) #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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Life is a series of moments....that's all we have. M'ness helps us be aware of all of those moments. #barkoutloud |
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wvterry:
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@tacrabtree Trauma changes the chemistry of the brain. Unfortunately some of these changes are permanet #Bark Out Loud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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@barrie_tc I use the nose touch too! Learned from @fearfuldogs #barkoutloud |
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barrie_tc:
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RT @wvterry: @tacrabtree Trauma changes the chemistry of the brain. Unfortunately some of these changes are permanet #barkoutloud |
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wvterry:
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@Mod_Hilary Fears definately change in people, especially phobias #Bark Out Loud |
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tacrabtree:
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don't know what started it RT @wvterry: @tacrabtree Trauma changes the chemistry of the brain. Unfortunately changes are permanet #barkoutloud |
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barrie_tc:
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RT @DaisyWunderDog: @barrie_tc I use the nose touch too! Learned from @fearfuldogs <- Deb rocks! #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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@fearfuldogs and mindfulness is the very first step toward those positive changes... #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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@fearfuldogs - we help them to adapt, always working toward that goal #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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@wvterry Yes, they fears and phobias do change in ppl. My dog's phobias change quickly! Interesting to observe. #barkoutloud |
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kimhalligan1:
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Hopeful; that if my dogs never get over all fears, that they can be managed so the dog is comfortable enough in situations. #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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Nice closing of loop! RT @turtlelady81: @fearfuldogs and mindfulness is the very first step toward those positive changes... #barkoutloud |
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FlynSam:
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Is there a link? RT @barrie_tc: RT @DaisyWunderDog: @barrie_tc I use the nose touch too! Learned from @fearfuldogs <- Deb rocks! #barkoutloud |
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RustyDawgPetPro:
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Whats purpose of nose touch? RT @barrie_tc: RT @DaisyWunderDog: @barrie_tc I use nose touch too! from @fearfuldogs <- Deb rocks! #barkoutloud |
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barrie_tc:
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It is all neural pathways with CAN be rebuilt :-) think stroke victims #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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@fearfuldogs Coping skills are important! How do we help our dogs do that, though, if they can't? #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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Bragging moment: my fearful dog is going to become a therapy dog. #barkoutloud |
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coolcitydogs:
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RT @turtlelady81: Bragging moment: my fearful dog is going to become a therapy dog. #barkoutloud |
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LorieAHuston:
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I was wondering that too. @RustyDawgPetPro Whats purpose of nose touch? #barkoutloud |
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barrie_tc:
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RT @RustyDawgPetPro: Whats purpose of nose touch? makes it the dog's decision to approach stranger #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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Jealous! RT @turtlelady81: Bragging moment: my fearful dog is going to become a therapy dog. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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@turtlelady81 Great to hear that your fearful dog is going to be a therapy dog!! #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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@kimhalligan1 You are one of those folks who I automatically think of when it comes to this topic, kim #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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Cool, mine wld b gr8 at that too RT @turtlelady81: Bragging moment: my fearful dog is going to become a therapy dog. #barkoutloud |
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wvterry:
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@barrie_tc Yes and now we know that brain cells can regenerate. #Bark Out Loud |
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LorieAHuston:
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You deserve a little bragging! RT @coolcitydogs: RT @turtlelady81: Bragging moment: my fearful dog is going to become a therapy dog #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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@coolcitydogs : ) #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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Thanks, all... #barkoutloud |
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WillMyDogHateMe:
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Congrats! RT @turtlelady81: Bragging moment: my fearful dog is going to become a therapy dog #barkoutloud |
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barrie_tc:
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RT @wvterry: @barrie_tc es and now we know that brain cells can regenerate. <- yup! #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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some brain development however cannot b changed once the dev period is over. #barkoutloud |
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wvterry:
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@turtlelady81 That's cool about your fearful dog. #Bark Out Loud |
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RustyDawgPetPro:
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ok-Sandys fine w ppl! RT @barrie_tc RT @RustyDawgPetPro: Whats purpose nose touch? makes it the dogs decision to approach stranger #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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We started a bit late... so I'm thinking we should go an extra 5 min. okay, @fearfuldogs? #barkoutloud |
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kimhalligan1:
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@turtlelady81 You & me & @barrie & @fearfuldogs dont you know it. So rewarding to see a dog think it through &make chioces & cope. #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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being mindful of what our dogs want, not just what we for them #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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Does the hand touch work as well as the nose touch? #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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Thanks all, for hearing my brag... #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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What's the most prevalent? @fearfuldogs some brain development however cannot b changed once the dev period is over. #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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RT @fearfuldogs: being mindful of what our dogs want, not just what we for them #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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@kimhalligan1 You are so heartfully aware of your pups...always noticed that about you! #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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Yes or high paws! #barkoutloud |
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FlynSam:
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RT @LorieAHuston: RT @fearfuldogs: some brain development however cannot b changed once the dev period is over. >>What Age is this? #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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@barrie_tc vision, language in ppl, HPA #barkoutloud |
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barrie_tc:
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@kimhalligan1 aww thanks :-) #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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I let Daisy decide when she's ready to greet a person (esp women). It's not for me to decide. #barkoutloud |
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AndrewLedford:
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@turtlelady81 live each moment with her.don't change her to something she can't be- acceptance an important part of awareness #barkoutloud |
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barrie_tc:
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@fearfuldogs HPA? #barkoutloud |
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LorieAHuston:
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@FlynSam @fearfuldogs My understanding is that most important dev. period is first 3-4 months. Is that your experience, Deb? #barkoutloud |
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kimhalligan1:
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@turtlelady81 Thanks, I try. #barkoutloud I should be thanking my dogs for help teaching me. |
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fearfuldogs:
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@barrie_tc not sure how much this can be changed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothalamic%E2%80%93pituitary%E2%80%93adrenal_axis #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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RT @fearfuldogs: dogs like ppl can continue 2 learn new skills-may always b afraid...but can develop coping skills, <- saves us all #barkoutloud |
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wvterry:
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@AndrewLedford Yes, acceptance and awareness go hand and hand. #Bark Out Loud |
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fearfuldogs:
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@LorieAHuston studies often say anywhere from 3-20 weeks re socialization period #barkoutloud |
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wvterry:
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HPA? #Bark Out Loud |
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barrie_tc:
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@wvterry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothalamic%E2%80%93pituitary%E2%80%93adrenal_axis #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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So how do we keep our expectations reasonable, @fearfuldogs? #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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We need to wrap up our chat tonight...I hope folks had an opportunity to add their voice. #barkoutloud |
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wvterry:
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@turtlelady81 Not offensive. Someone has to keep us on topic. :) #Bark Out Loud |
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avlpetsitter:
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And management! Knowing your dog's limits, situations to avoid RT @wvterry: @AndrewLedford acceptance & awareness go hand and hand. #barkoutloud |
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FlynSam:
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RT @fearfuldogs: @LorieAHuston studies often say anywhere from 3-20 weeks re socialization period >> Resocialization?? #barkoutloud |
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kimhalligan1:
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@turtlelady81 None taken. Some similarities. letting dog make choice to walk away from scary thing. #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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@barrie_tc prob y meds help. ppl can talk themselves in2 some changes. prob by being mindful! ;-) #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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Again, my apologies if I offended anyone when trying to steer us back on topic. Was not intention to single anyone out. #barkoutloud |
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LorieAHuston:
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@FlynSam yes, regarding socialization. #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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@turtlelady81 No offense taken. Glad u did. #barkoutloud |
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SuSiempre:
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#IWasAfraidWePlayedAtTheParkTooLong! :( #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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@FlynSam it's like learning a language, if u miss out by the time u r 10 yrs old u never will get the language/grammar the same #barkoutloud |
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barrie_tc:
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@turtlelady81 i do not see that u have anything 2 apologize 4 i only posted the BAT link so that ppl cld get more info later :-) #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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@fearfuldogs How can we keep our expectations reasonable, though? That's difficult. #barkoutloud |
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RustyDawgPetPro:
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Thanks everyone, mods, @fearfuldogs! Kitties are calling for their snacks! #barkoutloud |
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wvterry:
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@LorieAHuston Talking oneself into changes w/ Mness is creating new neural pathways #Bark Out Loud |
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FlynSam:
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RT @fearfuldogs: @FlynSam its like learning a language, if u miss out by the time u r 10 yrs ...>>>AH! got it! thx!!! #barkoutloud |
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LorieAHuston:
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@fearfuldogs Learning a language is a good analogy. I'll remember that one for future :-) #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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@Mod_Hilary I have the opposite question - how do we not limit our expectations? #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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@FlynSam some ppl sell resocialization & dogs can learn skills but they may not learn to affiliate w ppl or dogs if they missed out #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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I like 2 say lower your expectations but keep dreaming! the dog has success & we have hope #barkoutloud |
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LorieAHuston:
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@wvterry Do you think it's creating new neural pathways, or more a method of coping with fears that continue exist? #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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@LorieAHuston there is also the kitten study in which they sewed shut 1 eye & after opening it that eye was always blind #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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Really like that RT @fearfuldogs: I like 2 say lower your expectations but keep dreaming! the dog has success & we have hope #barkoutloud |
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barrie_tc:
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@fearfuldogs or keep ur expectations and lower ur requirments? #barkoutloud |
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FlynSam:
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RT @fearfuldogs: @FlynSam ... may not learn to affiliate w ppl or dogs if they missed out >>sounds similar to autisim #barkoutloud |
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wvterry:
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@LorieAHuston Both are possible. #Bark Out Loud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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I think I may have had lower expectations than I should have had. So I worry abt that too. #barkoutloud |
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LorieAHuston:
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@fearfuldogs I'm not aware of the kitten study. Do you have a reference? I'd like to look at that! #barkoutloud |
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wvterry:
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RT @barrie_tc: @fearfuldogs do u think there r dogs biologically predisposed 2 fearfulness? not breeds, individuals Yes. #Bark Out Loud |
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fearfuldogs:
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every new skill learned changes the brain. we can practice mindfulness & get better at it. dogs can practice being calm #barkoutloud |
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LorieAHuston:
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Interesting. RT @wvterry: @LorieAHuston Both are possible. #barkoutloud |
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SuSiempre:
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#BreedsTooIMHO RT @wvterry: RT @barrie_tc: @fearfuldogs dogs biologically predisposed 2 fearfulness? not breeds, individuals Yes. #barkoutloud |
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barrie_tc:
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@LorieAHuston ask @kellygdunbar i know ID references it in a utube vid i've seen very very depressing #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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Many thanks to @fearfuldogs and #barkoutloud moderators @turtlelady81 @LorieAHuston @FangShuiCanines & all participants for a great discussion |
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turtlelady81:
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RT @fearfuldogs: evry new skill learned changes brain. we can practice m'ness & get better at it. dogs can practice being calm #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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RT @fearfuldogs: every new skill learned changes brain. we can practice mindfulness & get better. dogs can practice being calm #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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@LorieAHuston I'll look 4 reference, googling it might work #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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Dogs calm or having fun can't be afraid too, you taught me that! #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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Like that... every new skill learned changes the brain. we can practice mness & get better at it,dogs can practice being calm #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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@dancingdogblog Thank you for that! #barkoutloud |
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kimhalligan1:
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@fearfuldogs I think I'm getting better at it. Can see it in Stanley. #barkoutloud |
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SuSiempre:
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RT @dancingdogblog: Many thanks to @fearfuldogs and #barkoutloud moderators @turtlelady81 @LorieAHuston @FangShuiCanines & all participants for a great discussion |
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turtlelady81:
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Well, I want to say thank you to our guest @fearfuldogs...she'll be signing autographs out in the hall.. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Ditto! RT @turtlelady81 @dancingdogblog Thank you for that! #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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pups r affected by health/stress of mother during gestation, placement in womb near other pups, genetic predis..... #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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RT @turtlelady81: Well, I want to say thank you to our guest @fearfuldogs...shell be signing autographs out in the hall.. #barkoutloud |
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TheSophDog:
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RT @dancingdogblog Thanks to @fearfuldogs and #barkoutloud moderators @turtlelady81 @LorieAHuston @FangShuiCanines |
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LorieAHuston:
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@barrie_tc @fearfuldogs Thanks. I'll try googling and also check utube and @kellygdunbar. #barkoutloud |
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turtlelady81:
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BTW, as you know, Deb has a wonderful blog...Visit her at www.fearfuldogs.com. #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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RT @dancingdogblog: Many thanks to @fearfuldogs and #barkoutloud moderators! #barkoutloud |
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LorieAHuston:
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Thank you @fearfuldogs for a great chat. #barkoutloud |