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June 7, 2010
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Mod_Mary:
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We have a great topic for Dr. Shawn Finch @Finch93 "Mosquitos & Ticks & Fleas... oh My"! #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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Hi All :) #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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Hey... by golly... we should be ready! So.. let's go! I'd like to formally introduce our guest... #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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okie dokie after u get thru your ? list can we ask if I'm being stupid? but only @finch93 gets 2 answer! #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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Dr. Shawn Finch.... Welcome! #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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@Finch93 Ready for Q1? #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@Mod_Hilary ready! #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Q1: What are heartworms and how can a dog be infected with them? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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By the way, our list of questions is here: http://www.pet-health-care-gazette.com/barkoutloud #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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A1 Heartworms = Dirofilaria immitus - blood-borne parasites transmitted by mosquito bites. Grow & mature in dog?s vascular system #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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A1 Become lodged in vessels of respiratory system. They may 'overflow' into the right ventricle of the heart, thus the name. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@Mod_Hilary a1 So they don't start off growing IN the heart itself? #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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wondering abt when preventatives r needed. have heard certain temps required 4 mosquitoes 2 b able 2 host HW. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@Finch93 So they don't start off growing IN the heart itself? #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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have also heard that preventatives can be used every 6 weeks not 4 #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@fearfuldogs We'll talk more about that in just a minute :-)
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DawgBlogger:
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@fearfuldogs any mild temperatures I think #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@Mod_Mary A1 Nope, start w mosquito bite, then go thru tissue under skin to vascular system to respiratory vessels THEN heart #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@Mod_Hilary yes.. I've asked a follow up question to that...Where do they begin growing? #barkoutloud |
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psa2:
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I'm not fond of topicals, either: http://bit.ly/bhW9ca RT: @fearfuldogs reluctant 2 use topicals since my dogs have med issues. #barkoutloud |
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lookwhatlabs:
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@Finch93 great topic for #barkoutloud so important, **HW due on 15th** note to self |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@Finch93, ready for second question? #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@Mod_Lorie yup! #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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Q2. What are the symptoms of heartworm disease and how common is it? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@Finch93 So, they're mature worms when they spill over into the right chamber of the heart? #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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A2 No symptoms at first, may progress to lethargy, coughing, fainting, breathing difficulty, paleness, exercise intolerance, death #barkoutloud |
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lookwhatlabs:
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@fearfuldogs sure would save some $$ every 6 wks if ok!! #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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A2 has been found in all states, some are 100% w/o preventative, about 10% here in Nebraska #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@Finch93 A2 Huh? 100%? 10%? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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About 10% here in Rhode Island too without prevention. #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@Mod_Mary yes, by the time they get to the heart, the worms are mature #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@Mod_Mary If a dog is not on a heartworm preventative, he or she has a ___% chance of contracting HW disease, varies by location #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@Finch93 Thanks... I wasn't sure.. #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@Mod_Mary worse where mosquitoes are worse #heat #humidity #standingwater #infectioninotherdogs (reservoir) #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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Wow. RT @Finch93: @Mod_Mary If a dog is not on a heartwrm prevent., he or she has a ___% chance of contracting HW, varies by loc #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@DaisyWunderDog I didn't know it was figured that way... #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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@Finch93 Ready for Q3? #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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@Mod_Mary Me neither. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@Mod_Mary Yep, in some areas, esp in the south, basically if a dog isn't on prevention, it probably has heartworms! #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@Finch93 So infection is pretty severe if worms have reached the heart...not as bad if they haven't? #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@Mod_Hilary yes! #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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my southern rescue was treated 4 HW b4 he came 2 live w me. Often wonder about residual effects of disease #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Q3: How are heartworms prevented? How effective is the preventative? How safe is it? #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@Mod_Mary Yes, if worms have reached the heart = bad infection, also determined by number of worms, health of dog before... #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@fearfuldogs My southern rescue was as well... #barkoutloud |
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lookwhatlabs:
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@Finch93 you mean they do not give HW at all in some states? #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@fearfuldogs #residualeffect Can be bad, sometimes no permanent damage done tho Hope not for your pups! #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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@fearfuldogs Wonder about residuals too. #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@lookwhatlabs I think it is wise to give HW prevention in all states, but yeah, taking a SMALLER risk in some areas than others! #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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Hi all - Have this been ans'd? does the heartworn treatment totally protect your dog? We are near a lake so insects, snakes are bad #barkoutloud |
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Bolonee:
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don't hear about it too much in california, still use preventative, tho. #barkoutloud |
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Keeping_Awake:
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@lookwhatlabs I wonder if northerners moving south don't realize HW prev. needed yr-round there #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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@lookwhatlabs Money and lack of knowledge often is reason for not using preventative #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@Finch93 And the % must even vary some.... rural/city living in some states.. #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@Mod_Mary Hope your pup is ok now! Sometimes NO long term effects #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@Finch93 Perfectly healthy... thanx for asking... #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@Mod_Mary yes! You can get pockets of populations where infection is worse, best not to guess in my opinion #barkoutloud |
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lookwhatlabs:
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@DaisyWunderDog $$$$ for sure these days. i know major expense for me, three labbies #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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As in Katrina. RT @DaisyWunderDog: @lookwhatlabs Money and lack of knowledge often is reason for not using preventative #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@Mod_Lorie @DaisyWunderDog @lookwhatlabs True! $ and lack of knowledge can deter prevention - "invisible" disease #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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Frozen north gets them too.RT @lookwhatlabs: @Finch93 yes I guess like in the frozen north #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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Yup. Me too. RT @lookwhatlabs: @DaisyWunderDog $$$$ for sure these days. i know major expense for me, three labbies #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@Keeping_Awake I wonder about that, too... #barkoutloud |
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Keeping_Awake:
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Yes they do!RT@DaisyWunderDog Frozen north gets them too #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@Mod_Hilary yeah-also New Orleans is one of those unfortunate areas where HW is VERY common :( #barkoutloud |
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lookwhatlabs:
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@Keeping_Awake I dunno, you would think Vets would councel? or maybe not? about the move south? #barkoutloud |
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Bolonee:
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Can a mosquito repellant be safely used? Can it help?
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Mod_Lorie:
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Present in ALL states, even cold ones! RT @Keeping_Awake: Yes they do!RT@DaisyWunderDog Frozen north gets them too #barkoutloud |
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Keeping_Awake:
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I've just always given yr-round. Easier for me to remember it that way. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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OK, next Q relevant: Q3: How are heartworms prevented? How effective is the preventative? How safe is it? #barkoutloud |
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Keeping_Awake:
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@lookwhatlabs Excellent q for a vet to answer! Re: prevalence of HW in Southern climates and Northern transplant owners #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@Bolonee Yes, dog safe mosquito repellents can be used, but still use HW preventative, cuz repellents aren't 100% #GoodQuestion #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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@Mod_Mary Can we add 1 more to A3? How long does it last? #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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A3 monthly oral/topical med or injection every six months-kills larval stages in bloodstream, very safe, low dose of med #barkoutloud |
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lookwhatlabs:
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@fearfuldogs #barkoutloud did you see a personality change as residual from treatment wore off? |
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Finch93:
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@Keeping_Awake @lookwhatlabs Good point! If ya move, find out HW prevalence (& other diseases) from local vet #barkoutloud |
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lookwhatlabs:
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@Finch93 which do you think is most cost effective monthly/or 6 month injectable? #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@Mod_Mary A3 Monthly lasts 45 days but DO NOT stretch it! I recommend every month cuz you don't want to risk breakthrus #barkoutloud |
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SuSiempre:
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@Finch93 Q3 #DidYouDoThe #ProHeart #Training? #Dogtalk |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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@Finch93: A3 There's an injection available? #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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@lookwhatlabs dog came 2 me long after treatment
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Mod_Mary:
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@Finch93 A3 How many folks are using injectable vs...pill? #barkoutloud |
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DREAMRescue:
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Everyone in south should have their dogs on hw preventative. I've had to treat more dogs than I can remember. #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@Mod_Mary 6 month injection lasts...6 months :D Labelled for higher dose/1 year in Australia #barkoutloud |
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Keeping_Awake:
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@Mod_Mary I use pill. Interceptor. If we're taking a poll. ;)
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duchesscrabtree:
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Now my question-vets here say once/mo treatment is sufficient. Is it 100% preventative? #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@DaisyWunderDog Yes! Proheart6 is injectable Heartworm preventative (active ingredient=moxidectin) #barkoutloud |
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SuSiempre:
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#Yes #VetHasToJumpThroughSomeHoopsToGetIt RT @DaisyWunderDog: @Finch93: A3 Theres an injection available? #Dogtalk |
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Mod_Mary:
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@Finch93 Didn't know about the injectible... is it popular? As effective? #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@duchesscrabtree Yes! Preventatives are
labeled as (and I believe them) 100% effective - problem sometimes is
compliance #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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@Finch93 Also, should one be careful of which product to use for preventative? #barkoutloud |
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Keeping_Awake:
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Is Pro-Heart the only injectable or are there others? I guess the benefit to injectable is owner compliance? #barkoutloud |
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lookwhatlabs:
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@fearfuldogs this dog had just finished treatment, had all sorts of behavior problems as it wore off #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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@SuSiempre Ahhh... I had never heard about it. Now i know why.
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Finch93:
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@Mod_Mary #Proheart6 pretty popular, v effective, my only concern is in case of side effects/reaction-6 months to get out of system #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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@lookwhatlabs @fearfuldogs Saw beh' change in dog I know after treatment #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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Sorry... keep misspelling "injectible".... s/b "injectable #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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@lookwhatlabs were behavior issues resolved? #barkoutloud |
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DREAMRescue:
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We give all the fosters iverhart pill #barkoutloud |
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lookwhatlabs:
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@Keeping_Awake for me the monthly tablet is not a problem #barkoutloud |
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foster_sj:
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Is Advantix considered a good product? #barkoutloud |
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Keeping_Awake:
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I think Pro-Heart had some issues a few yrs back, IIRC #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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@Finch93 Any adverse effects on small dogs with injectable? #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@Mod_Hilary All preventatives are safe (injectable longer lasting, careful) #barkoutloud |
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Keeping_Awake:
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@lookwhatlabs Monthly tablet not a problem for me either, but i think the avg rate of owner compliance is around 80%:( #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@Mod_Hilary All preventatives are safe (injectable longer lasting, careful) - I got links :) #Thanks #barkoutloud |
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SuSiempre:
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#SomebodyWithAnAncientDogBroughtALawsuit #WentOffMarketForYears #NowTrainingRequired RT @DaisyWunderDog: @SuSiempre Ahhh... #Dogtalk |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@finch93 Do you want to talk about ivermectin sensitivity in collie breeds? #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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RT @Finch93: @Mod_Hilary All preventatives are safe (injectable longer lasting, careful) #barkoutloud |
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lookwhatlabs:
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@fearfuldogs for most part, more senior folks, raging adolescent dog, they were very outdogged, but he did learn manners #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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@Finch93 Can you talk about the ivermectin allergy, tho, as maybe not safe for some dogs (Heartgard, for ex)? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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Who uses Advantix? #barkoutloud |
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Keeping_Awake:
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@Mod_Lorie I think there's a genetic test for that collie type sensitivity now, too/ Helpful for mixes? #barkoutloud |
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lookwhatlabs:
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@Keeping_Awake interesting to know rate of compliance, do you get an annual blood check w/your dogs? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Yes. RT @Keeping_Awake: @Mod_Lorie I think theres a genetic test for that collie type sensitivity now, too/ Helpful for mixes? #barkoutloud |
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fearfuldogs:
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@lookwhatlabs I'd imagine the confinement & feeling crummy takes its toll, but wonder how chems affect other organs (brain) #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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Some dogs are allergic to Heartgard cause that's what I use for all mine? #barkoutloud |
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Keeping_Awake:
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@lookwhatlabs My vet does every 2 yrs with people he thinks give it yr round. So we get every 2 yrs. Not sure if that's risky tho
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Mod_Hilary:
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@tacrabtree Yes, see the link @finch93 just posted. Both my BCs are allergic! Herding breeds mostly. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@SuSiempre Oh, that's right... sorry... we're still talking heartworms... @Foster_SJ #barkoutloud |
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lookwhatlabs:
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@fearfuldogs true, any longevity studies for dogs that have been treated I wonder? #barkoutloud |
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DREAMRescue:
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@Mod_Hilary what does the ivermectin allergy look like? #barkoutloud |
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lookwhatlabs:
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@Keeping_Awake you mean risky only doing blood work 2yrs as opposed to yearly? #barkoutloud |
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Keeping_Awake:
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@lookwhatlabs he knows I'm a bit neurotic with my dog, so he trusts me to give it faithfully yr-round. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Dogs get very sick, throw up, need to get out of system. RT @DREAMRescue: @Mod_Hilary what does the ivermectin allergy look like? #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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@Mod_Hilary You said herding breeds? I have a Sheltie. He takes the pill (forgot name) #barkoutloud |
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SuSiempre:
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#YouMayBeThinking #AdvantageMulti RT @Mod_Mary: @SuSiempre Oh, thats right... sorry... were still talking heartworms... @Foster_SJ #Dogtalk |
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Keeping_Awake:
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@lookwhatlabs Yes, exactly, If every 2 yrs is ok or pushing it #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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Yes! Some dogs, esp.Collies, also other herding breeds & others sometimes carry a gene that causes blood-brain barrier to "leak" #barkoutloud |
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foster_sj:
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@Mod_Mary Hub Neal thot it was for heartworm. Guess we'll have to get educated! #barkoutloud |
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lookwhatlabs:
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@Keeping_Awake yes mine get year round as well. can`t see that as risky with 2 yr blood work given that #barkoutloud |
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DREAMRescue:
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@Mod_Hilary right away? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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Ready to move on to Q4? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Interceptor, and maybe others, have no ivermectin. #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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They can be carriers of one gene, or have two genes and have a problem processing certain drugs including some HW preventatives #barkoutloud |
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lookwhatlabs:
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@Finch93 so interesting (and important) to learn of breed specific med interactions #barkoutloud |
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Keeping_Awake:
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@lookwhatlabs Same vet makes my mom do all her dogs yearly as she gives half yr (she lives much farther north and I use her vet) #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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In my experience. Gene that carries barrier. RT @Mod_Hilary: Interceptor, and maybe others, have no ivermectin. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@foster_sj Believe Advantix prevents mosquitoes (supposedly) but not actually
labeled for heartworm prevention #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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Whew! Thank you! RT @Mod_Hilary: Interceptor, and maybe others, have no ivermectin. #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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However, the ivermectin or milbemycin in HW prev. is at such a low dose, that it is safe to use, even if your dog tests sensitive #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@foster_sj But I'm sure she's on HW preventative, too. #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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If you are worried #Sensitivity by all means choose a different HW preventative! Plenty of safe ones to choose from! #barkoutloud |
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lookwhatlabs:
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@Keeping_Awake guess they go on case by case basis #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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I always learn something new on these chats. Wow. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@Finch93 Do you use ivermectin at all in herding breeds or opt for another hw prevention in those breeds? #barkoutloud |
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foster_sj:
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@Mod_Lorie Yes, I noticed it says "prevents mosquitoes" on line . . . meaning other mosquito-borne illnesses, right? #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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Ditto! RT @DaisyWunderDog: I always learn something new on these chats. Wow. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@Finch93 Never mind, already answered :-) #barkoutloud |
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Keeping_Awake:
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If anyone needs a good chart on the various HW prev's: http://www.marvistavet.com/html/heartworm_prevention.html #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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Mod_Hilary (The Great) gave me that Collie link, that website links to others that talk about research by Vet at Washington State #barkoutloud |
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Keeping_Awake:
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That link breaks it down by active ingredient for quick reference #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@foster_sj Heartworm is probably the most important mosquito borne disease in dogs, but wouldn't rely on Advantix to prevent it. #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@Keeping_Awake Hey, I had that in my notes and a note to THANK you cuz I starred it 5/15 when you posted it :) #Thanks #barkoutloud |
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DREAMRescue:
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@Finch93 are any hw preventatives besides heartguard and ivermax safe for hw positive dogs? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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@Finch93 I only knew bc of my BC rescue and my own dogs! Wouldn't have known abt ivermectin otherwise! #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@Mod_Mary I talk about options, and if herding breed owners are comfortable w ivermectin at v. low doses, I do prescribe it #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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Q4. How often should dogs be tested for heartworms and why? #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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A4 yearly-ensure no adult infection while on preventative #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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Definitely! RT @Finch93: A4 yearly-ensure no adult infection while on preventative #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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What I recommend to my clients too :-) RT @Finch93: A4 yearly-ensure no adult infection while on preventative #barkoutloud |
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lookwhatlabs:
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@Finch93 what my vet always says yearly #barkoutloud |
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DREAMRescue:
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@Finch93 and what do you recommend if dog is hw positive? Options? #barkoutloud |
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Keeping_Awake:
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@DaisyWunderDog yeah, I worry about my vet letting me go 2 yrs. :O #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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A4 My vet insists on yearly... as does pet ins. company #barkoutloud |
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foster_sj:
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@Mod_Mary Just asked hub about Advantix, and vet says it catches heartworm in early stages. that's all she's taking for prevention #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@DREAMRescue We'll talk about that shortly :-) #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Good pt about ins. co! RT @Mod_Mary: A4 My vet insists on yearly... as does pet ins. company #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@Keeping_Awake Maybe ask if they WOULD test yearly - I am sure they wouldn't mind #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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@Keeping_Awake I would too. Friend's dog just tested + even tho was taking heartworm-she missed a few days btwn applications #barkoutloud |
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Keeping_Awake:
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@foster_sj Oh my, I do not think Advantix is sufficient, but I'm not a vet. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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A4 If not yearly.... and do comes up HW positive.... HW co. won't guarantee product? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@foster_sj But remember it only takes one mosquito bite. How many mosquito repellents have you used that repel all of them for you? #barkoutloud |
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Keeping_Awake:
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@Finch93 Yeah, he will if I ask him. :) #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@Mod_Hilary @Mod_Mary yeah HW preventative companies will stand behind their product more readily if yearly tests are done #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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@Finch93 - so they can become infected even if treatment is given every month? My vet has never said to be tested every year. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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I am a vet and I agree with you ;-) RT @Keeping_Awake: @foster_sj Oh my, I do not think Advantix is sufficient, but Im not a vet. #barkoutloud |
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foster_sj:
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@Keeping_Awake I'll call tomorrow to be sure. It's a great question in my mind now! #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@DaisyWunderDog :( Sorry about your friend's dog! So easy to space that! Hope they are ok now #barkoutloud |
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DREAMRescue:
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@Mod_Lorie good! Thanks! #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@Mod_Lorie @Keeping_Awake: @foster_sj I agree! #Advantix #NoHeartwormPreventionInIt #barkoutloud |
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foster_sj:
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@Mod_Lorie Thanks for motivating us to call. I appreciate all of this information. #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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@Finch93 Going thru treatment now. Caught early. Thank God! #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@Finch93 Have you seen any positive hw cases on ivermectin? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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@finch93 Moving along... should we do Q5? #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@Mod_Lorie no! you? #PositiveDogsOnIvermectin #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@Mod_Hilary yes! #Q5 #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Q5: Why should dog owners use heartworm prevention instead of just treating if dog becomes infected? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@Finch93 No, but have read about a few in the journals and on VIN. Some claim pretty sure clients were compliant. Concerning. #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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A5 prevention-safer, not painful, not dangerous, comparatively inexpensive, treatment hard on dogs, expensive #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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@Mod_Lorie @finch93 In the journals, were dogs herding breeds, or other? #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@Mod_Lorie oo I agree :( #Concerning #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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@Finch93 Treatment especially hard on older dogs #barkoutloud |
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Keeping_Awake:
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@Mod_Hilary Gee, that's like asking why ppl should eat right and exercise when they may get sick anyway, huh? Do what we can? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@Mod_Lorie Could there be an
immunity issue amongst our little mosquito friends? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@Mod_Hilary Not sure of breeds, but don't think they were herding breeds. These were dogs that got hw while on preventive meds. #barkoutloud |
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DREAMRescue:
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@Mod_Lorie have heard concerns about resistant strains. Scary. But not rationale for skipping monthly preventative. #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@Finch93 A5 also waiting and treating if heartworm disease develops puts other dogs at risk #barkoutloud |
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foster_sj:
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@Finch93 I know someone who went through $2900 of treatment for a pup with advanced case. This may be an extreme case(?) #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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Explain? RT @Finch93: A5 also waiting and treating if heartworm disease develops puts other dogs at risk #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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That's the concern, resistance to ivermectin. RT @Mod_Mary: @Mod_Lorie Could there be an immunitiy issue? #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@foster_sj Probably so! #ExtremeCase Heartworm disease can really hit our pups hard-can cause lots of complications #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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@Finch93 Why does it put other dogs at risk? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@DaisyWunderDog Cuz a mos. bites an infected dog and spreads... #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@DREAMRescue No, should never skip months. Agreed!! #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@DaisyWunderDog Heartworm positive dogs in the community provide more heartworm positive blood for mosquitoes to spread! #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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Oh. Duh! RT @Mod_Mary: @DaisyWunderDog Cuz a mos. bites an infected dog and spreads... #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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@Finch93 So glad you told us that. Almost took in heartworm + dog for weekend. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@Finch93 Well said, Doc.... Why can't I #BeSoEloquent? #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@DaisyWunderDog Not Duh! Owners who refuse preventatives NEVER are thinking of the other pups in their communities! #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@Finch93 I've heard that in my state... no more HW+ dogs from the south in resq #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@DaisyWunderDog If yours are on preventative, should be safe to take in HW pos. dog #barkoutloud |
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DREAMRescue:
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@Finch93 in the South it's a given that there are so many hw + dogs, the mosquitoes just carry it. #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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Good! They are. RT @Finch93: @DaisyWunderDog If yours are on preventative, should be safe to take in HW pos. dog #barkoutloud |
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Keeping_Awake:
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@DREAMRescue That's how I got into the monthly habit-Jess is from ATL, lived there when I got her. Monthly always for me now! #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@Mod_Mary So many of the rescues I see here that come up from the south are positive for heartworms. Sad. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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Maybe, since it's getting late we should open up for other questions? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Me,too. :(RT @Mod_Lorie: @Mod_Mary So many of the rescues I see here that come up from the south are positive for heartworms. Sad. #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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@Mod_Mary I think @fearfuldogs had a question
#barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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We'll have to have part 2 for fleas, ticks. RT @Mod_Mary: Maybe, since its getting late we should open up for other questions? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@Mod_Lorie Our wonderful state veterinarian no longer allows them in.... even if treatment is set up with vet... #barkoutloud |
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DREAMRescue:
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@Finch93 I don't worry about fostering hw + dogs because all others are on preventative. Doesn't spread directly. #barkoutloud |
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Keeping_Awake:
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When I lived in ATL, I met a lot of otherwise reasonable and prudent dog owners who had HW+dogs. the message isn't getting thru! #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@Mod_Mary @Mod_Hilary Perhaps we should invite @Finch93 back to talk about fleas/ticks another time? If she is willing? #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@fearfuldogs Yes? You in the back? #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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Yes! RT @Mod_Lorie: Perhaps we should invite @Finch93 back to talk about fleas/ticks another time? If she is willing? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@Finch93 I truly love your sense of humor! #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@Mod_Lorie I would love too! May have bit off more than we could chew huh? #PreventingEverythingInEveryDogForever #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@Mod_Mary That's discouraging. Must be frustrating for rescues/vets alike. #barkoutloud |
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Keeping_Awake:
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And we didn't even get into the other parasites some HW prev's also prevent. Big topic!
#barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@Mod_Lorie Yes! #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@Mod_Mary :) #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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@Finch93 - they are saying snake bite up 400% at ER's is there a preventative vaccine for poisonous snake bites? #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@Keeping_Awake true‾ #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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Dog I was going to take in was from the south. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@Finch93 Yeah, way more than we could chew, huh? There's still lots to talk about with heartworms :-( #barkoutloud |
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DREAMRescue:
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@Finch93 can you talk about doxycycline and heartworms? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@Mod_Lorie Yes.. and, of course, limits bringing dogs in from the south. not good for the dogs.. #barkoutloud |
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dancingdogblog:
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Same here RT @Mod_Lorie: @Mod_Mary So many of the rescues I see here that come up from the south are positive for heartworms. Sad. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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How is HW disease treated? Are there any complications to HW disease treatments? #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@tacrabtree not that I know of! But there is antivenom for rattler bites #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@DREAMRescue sure! #doxicycline #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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Question: 1 dog on Interceptor (Sheltie) other (Lab) on chewables - should both be on Interceptor? Does it matter? #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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lake - we have mococines (sp?) & cottton mouths - rush to ER only hope? #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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treatment-Series of 3 injections Melarsomine dihydrochloride (Immiticideｮ, Merial) an arsenic derivative (currently on backorder) #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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Also, 2-3 months preventative to kill larvae, doxycycline to kill Wolbachia, bacteria associated w HW that can cause further damage #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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STRICT REST important, complications related to dead worms in blood vessels-painful, can cause embolisms, can be fatal (rare) #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@Finch93 (currently on backorder) Yeah, isn't that a kicker...grrrr!!! #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@DaisyWunderDog should be just fine! #TwoDogsOnTwoPreventatives #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@tacrabtree oo yes! And try to stay where the snakes AREN'T, no direct treatment, just supportive care #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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@Finch93 Movement causes dead heartworms to move to other areas during treatment? Strict rest. #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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@Finch93 Thanks! #barkoutloud |
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Keeping_Awake:
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@DaisyWunderDog Interceptor is a chewable, provide gtst protection against other intestinal worms, 2. Could all take it probably #barkoutloud |
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Keeping_Awake:
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@DaisyWunderDog as long as none are HW + #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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@Finch93 - they come into yard every year, but this year is a bumper crop warning fr ER vets...sigh : ( #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@Mod_Lorie What? On back order?How do you currently treat, then? #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@Mod_Hilary yes! Dead worms are foreign bodies in the bloodstream - dangerous till they degrade #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@Mod_Hilary Been there... done that... VERY hard to do with a young, active dog! #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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@Keeping_Awake Thanks. Both eat poop anyways, so prob best on interceptor #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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@Keeping_Awake @finch93 Any reason for any dogs not to take Interceptor vs. Heartgard or other, besides cost? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Thanks! RT @Finch93: @Mod_Hilary yes! Dead worms are foreign bodies in the bloodstream - dangerous till they degrade #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@Mod_Lorie I know! Whose bright idea was it to put all THOSE eggs in one basket?? #grr #Merial #barkoutloud |
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Keeping_Awake:
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@DaisyWunderDog Interceptor provides protection against all worms but whips and tapes #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@Mod_Hilary My Mama's little four pound Ernie Dog does not like the taste of some HW preventatives, so Mom chooses by that #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@Mod_Mary Special permission from Merial. Decided on case by case basis. Merial decides if case warrants sell of Immiticide. #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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So it's better than HG? RT @Keeping_Awake: @DaisyWunderDog Interceptor provides protection against all worms but whips and tapes #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@Finch93 Merial cornered the market...then dropped the ball!! #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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@Mod_Lorie What is Immiticide? #barkoutloud |
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Keeping_Awake:
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@Mod_Hilary unless they are HW+ or sensitive to milbemycin, I don't see why they couldn't take Interceptor, but I'm not a vet. ;) #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@Mod_Hilary All monthly prev. are very very good, so you can also choose based on ancillary parasite control (& taste #ErnieDog) #barkoutloud |
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Keeping_Awake:
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@tacrabtree HG is just for HW. HG Plus provides some protection against intestinal worms too #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@Mod_Hilary Immiticide is the medication that is used to treat heartworm positive dogs. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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@tacrabtree Not better treatment than HG for Heartworm. But has other preventatives, backwards. Is that right @Finch93? #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@Keeping_Awake but you ARE right! #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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@Keeping_Awake - thank you! #barkoutloud |
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Keeping_Awake:
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@tacrabtree And you can safely give HG to a HW + dog. It's just straight ivermectin. Again, folks, I am not a vet! #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@Mod_Lorie true! I still love them tho for making HW treatment I guess *sigh* #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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@Mod_Lorie Oh, right! Just never heard that particular name. Arsenic? #barkoutloud |
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Bolonee:
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worried about my rescue she is on ivomec for a bad case of demodex. Not on HW med, tho. is she still protected? #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@Mod_Hilary yes! #true #Heartgard #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@Finch93 I love their Heartgard Plus too. Just frustrating about the Immiticide. #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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@Keeping_Awake - I've never had a HW + dog & never want one! Want to do the rt thing for my babies ya know #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@Bolonee different doses and intervals - probably ought to do HW preventative too! #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@Mod_Lorie I agree! #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@Mod_Mary If she is on Demodex dose of ivermectin, she is protected against heartworms :-) #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@tacrabtree Agreed! May your only knowledge of HW ever be intellectual! @Keeping_Awake #barkoutloud |
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Bolonee:
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I'll talk w/my vet. He doesn't seem to think so :-(
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Keeping_Awake:
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@Bolonee Depends on dose probably but get @finch93 or @Mod_Lorie to answer you! #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@tacrabtree Keeping_Awake Some of us.... no choice...we adopted them with HW.. #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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Amen! RT @Finch93: @tacrabtree Agreed! May your only knowledge of HW ever be intellectual! @Keeping_Awake #barkoutloud |
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Keeping_Awake:
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@Mod_Mary Oh, I know! And bless you for taking in a HW+ dog! Angels, all of you! #barkoutloud |
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Bolonee:
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@Mod_Lorie Thank you! :-)
#barkoutloud |
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Keeping_Awake:
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@DaisyWunderDog Amen indeed! #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Next life! RT @Finch93: @tacrabtree Agreed! May your only knowledge of HW ever be intellectual! @Keeping_Awake #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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@Mod_Mary guess I have been blessed that none of my rescues ever had it
:) #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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@tacrabtree It's great that your rescues never had heartworm. So glad you took in those rescues, no matter what! #barkoutloud |
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Keeping_Awake:
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@Bolonee When I got Jess, she had sarcoptic mange, also trtd with Ivermectin. She didn't go on HW prev til that trtmnt was over. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@tacrabtree Well, it just made me fall deeper in love with her.... cuz I was able to help her through it.... #TearyEyedNow #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@Mod_Mary People who rescue heartworm positive dogs are my heroes. #barkoutloud |
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Keeping_Awake:
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@Mod_Mary you know you're fully committed right there at the start, don't you? No question at all! :) #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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@Mod_Mary - yep know what you mean - my shining stars in the sky! #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@Keeping_Awake @Bolonee Both sarcoptic and demodectic mange are treated with ivermectin at higher doses than for hw prevention #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@tylersorrells :( I'll bet. Is your dog ok now? #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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@Finch93 So agree! #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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I second that. RT @Finch93: @Mod_Mary People who rescue heartworm positive dogs are my heroes. #barkoutloud |
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Bolonee:
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@Keeping_Awake That's what my vet is suggesting. I just hate the thought of giving her more "icky medicine" as I call it! ;-) #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@Finch93 Vets who can help treat these dogs are MY heros! #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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@Mod_Mary :) #barkoutloud |
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Keeping_Awake:
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@Mod_Lorie That makes sense as to why neither of us were told to use HW prev til that trtmnt concluded then! thanks! #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Third that! RT @Mod_Lorie: I second that. RT @Finch93: @Mod_Mary People who rescue heartworm positive dogs are my heroes. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Agree! RT @Mod_Mary: @Finch93 Vets who can help treat these dogs are MY heros! #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@Keeping_Awake yep, you're effectively already preventing heartworms. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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So, shall we wrap this up? And continue another time with @Finch93....Fleas & Ticks... #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@Keeping_Awake @Bolonee Those higher mange doses are the ones you want to be really careful about with breeds sensitive to ivermectin #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Wow, this has been a great discussion! Thanks, everyone! We'll have Shawn back for fleas and ticks! And more! #barkoutloud |
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Keeping_Awake:
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@Mod_Lorie yes, I remember being worried cause she was a mutt puppy and had no clue what was in there! But all OK. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Next week, @doggiezen will discuss BAT--she developed the great training program! Look for details soon! #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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Suppose it's that time. Goes so fast. RT @Mod_Mary: So, shall we wrap this up & continue another time w/ @Finch93....Fleas & Ticks #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@Finch93 Thank you so very much! #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@Finch93 Great job, Shawn. Thanks so much for being our guest tonight!! #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Shawn, this was a wonderful discussion! Thanks for leading it, and for all your great info! #barkoutloud |
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Finch93:
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You are welcome! Thank you all for a fun discussion! More heartworm info! http://www.heartwormsociety.org/ #barkoutloud |