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June 14, 2010
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Mod_Hilary:
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Our guest, Grisha Stewart (@doggiezen) is the owner and founder of Ahimsa Dog Training in Seattle, WA. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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She was voted as Seattle's Top Dog Trainer by the readers of CityDog Magazine. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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She has been interviewed about her training techniques by NPR, KING TV, and Seattle Metropolitan Magazine. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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See more at ahimsadogtraining.com. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Grisha developed Behavior Adjustment Training (BAT) 4 working w/ behavior probs in dogs, incl fear & aggression. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Mary @citydogmagazine had a nice article on BAT this summer, too. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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Ready, Grisha? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Find the BAT info at: http://ahimsadogtraining.com/blog/bat. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Mary Ready! #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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Welcome to you, Grisha... it's great to have you here tonight! #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@grishastewart Okay, then... Q 1... What is BAT? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Yes, fantastic! RT @Mod_Mary: Welcome to you, Grisha... its great to have you here tonight! #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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Thanks for having me. I'm wishing I had a bigger screen about now! #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A1.a BAT is Behavior Adjustment Training, which uses real-life rewards to help dogs (re)learn social skills. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A1.b With BAT, the dog is repeatedly set up to learn to make good choices. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A1.c BAT works with dogs who have Aggression, Reactivity, and Fear. We can call that ARF in the tweets. BAT for ARF :) #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A1.d BAT is a reward-based method, so we want to keep the dog below threshold, meanwhile still giving them a chance to choose. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A1.e It's called BAT because the dog learns to adjust their behavior, but the triggers and consequences can stay the same. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A1.f There's a sample video with a horse at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMQcQjpzCq4 #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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(end of question 1 answers) #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@grishastewart So, no negative consequences in BAT for ARF? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Any comments on Q1?
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Hilary Need any more clarification on Q1? #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Mary Correct, no negative consequences. We do call them back, but no punishments or extinction. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@grishastewart I think you've done a great job with clarity... #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Not me; anyone else? Ready for Q2? #barkoutloud |
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hayhillo:
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Q1 Do you use any verbal cues or commands or wait for offered behaviors...
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Mod_Mary:
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@grishastewart Extinction? What that? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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Okay, then. If no more questions on Q1...Q2. How and why did you develop BAT? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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RT @hayhillo: Q1 Do you use any verbal cues or commands or wait for offered behaviors... #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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Oops, look like we do have a couple of ? RT @hayhillo: Q1 Do you use any verbal cues or commands or wait for offered behaviors... #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Mary A1.g sort of...One example of extinction is letting the dog bark & growl themselves out.
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grishastewart:
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@hayhillo I use verbal cues to interrupt, if necessary, but mostly we want offered behaviors. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Wow. Info coming? RT @grishastewart @Mod_Mary A1.g One example of extinction is letting the dog bark & growl themselves out. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Hilary We don't use extinction. That's what you would do in CAT. More info is coming on interruptions, though. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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Other questions/comments on Q1? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@Mod_Lorie I think we're good. Shall we go on? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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Q2. How and why did you develop BAT? #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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So Q2 was "How and why did you develop BAT?" right?
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DaisyWunderDog:
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I'm a big fan of BAT. I've got one client who now looks at me 1st when he sees something that makes him fearful #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A2.a I have been working aggression cases for the last 6 years. I did lots of counterconditioning and desensitization first. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A2.b I came across the Two-Reward method and Abandonment Training, which I learned about but didn't do. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A2.c Then I learned about CAT and tried to do it. I filmed it. Looking back at vids, I wasn't doing CAT even from the beginning. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A2.d I immediately made some modifications to make it more practical to do with my own dog, and I have made more changes since. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A2.e One major change was to not do extinction. BAT never allows the dog to just bark herself out. Stay under threshold! #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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(end of initial Q2 answers) #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@grishastewart So, CAT is a bit different, then... #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@grishastewart And one major diff. btween them is "extinction?" #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Mary Correct. BAT is kind of a cousin of CAT. There are many methods with distance as a reward, & they have that in common. #barkoutloud |
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kimhalligan1:
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A2c I also was doing CAT before I learned about BAT. My dogs knew to look at me. Found BAT worked better for dog & I. Less stress #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Mary Yes. Extinction is the most major difference, and the use of food in regular walks. BAT handlers have a more active role. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@kimhalligan1 Yes!!! Less stress is a very good thing. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@grishastewart How do handlers have a more active role? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@grishastewart Do you always use food as the reward or are there other rewards you rely on also? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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@grishastewart Can't wait to hear more about BAT handlers having a more active role. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Mary You'll see in Q5 #barkoutloud |
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hayhillo:
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A2 Can food be part of reward or just distance is the reward? #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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So agree! RT @grishastewart: @kimhalligan1 Yes!!! Less stress is a very good thing. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Lorie Yes. Q6 covers that. The *main* reward is relief, safety, whatever the dog is barking/lunging etc. for in the 1st place. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@hayhillo Food can be part of it, I'll explain how later. Food is good in some situations, less good in others. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@grishastewart So, let's officially ask Q3: How is BAT different from other training techniques?
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Mod_Hilary:
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RT @Mod_Mary: @grishastewart So, lets officially ask Q3: How is BAT different from other training techniques? #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A3.a BAT is an operant procedure, meaning that the dog learns what to *do* versus working only on an emotional level. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A3.b BAT still does work on the emotional level, too, so you get the best of both worlds.
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grishastewart:
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A3.c BAT's easier to do on walks than some other methods, although dogs seem to learn the most from set-ups. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A3.d BAT does not punish the dog for aggression and reactivity. We want dogs to warn us when they are uncomfortable. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A3.e BAT seems to generalize better than other methods. It's like they are paying more attention to the other dog or person. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A3.f When I did counterconditioning with my dog, I could use the same decoys over and over. Not so with BAT. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@grishastewart A3 d. Can you give an ex. of how a dog can warn us? #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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(end of Q3 answers for now) #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@grishastewart So when dog gives warning that they are uncomfortable, they are rewarded by distance from the object/situation? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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A3 f. Why can't you use the same decoys over and over in BAT? #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Mary They have small warnings and big ones. The big ones are the ones people usually want to get rid of: barking, growling. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Lorie Yes. What we want to do is make the smaller signal more reliable for them, like lookaways, head turns, lip licks,... #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@grishastewart Ahh, got it! Makes sense now :-) #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Mary The dogs remember the decoys and are too friendly with them. They are paying attention! #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Mary If the decoy isn't scary any more, we can't practice not being afraid of them. :) #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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err... I guess we can't practice being aggressive to them. Always good to practice not being afraid with people they like... :) #barkoutloud |
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hayhillo:
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Q3 Any 'markers' used, as in the traditional sense of operant conditioning? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@grishastewart Ah! Okay... I get that... #barkoutloud |
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kimhalligan1:
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My dogs look back at me when they see another dog. Also Stanleys tail starts to stiffen. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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BAT uses FUNCTIONAL REWARDS - meaning that they learn what behavior functions/works for them to get what they want. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@hayhillo Yes, we use a marker. I'll talk about that soon. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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Other questions/comments on Q3? #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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One more thing on functional rewards - here's an analogy: #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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Q4. For which kinds of problems is BAT really useful? #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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What comforts the driver's ed instructor in a car with a teenager - the paycheck or the fact that s/he has her own set of breaks? #barkoutloud |
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kimhalligan1:
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Ive been known to walk away from another dog at 90 degree angle - right up peoples driveway. Anything for my dogs BAT. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A4.a BAT is great for aggression, reactivity, & fear (ARF). In most ARF cases, the dog wants the triggering stimulus to go away. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A4.b But even if they want closer distance, you can work with it, just give the dog what they want as a reward. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A4.c I wouldn't call it BAT, but most of what we do as positive trainers using real life rewards is just like BAT. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A4.d So BAT works for any problem behavior for which a replacement behavior earns the same controllable functional reward. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A4.e But since "real life rewards" training is used by positive trainers all the time, I have been concentrating BAT on ARF. #barkoutloud |
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Bolonee:
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My dog lili is a very fearful dog. But not food or toy motivated. Sorry for the late comment. try
ing to catch up #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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(Q4 answers end) #barkoutloud |
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Bolonee:
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she does what a trainer called " fence fighting" #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@grishastewart BAT assumes that most aggression in dogs is fear-based, yes? #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Bolonee BAT will be great for your dog. It doesn't need any food or toys (but you can use them). #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@grishastewart Can we throw out a coupla quick situations? #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Mary Sure...not too many though, since that's next week. Maybe wait until after I describe how to do a BAT setup? #barkoutloud |
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Bolonee:
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I really need to look into this first time I've heard of BAT #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@grishastewart yes! Great... #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Bolonee We just had a big discussion on fence fighting on the BAT Yahoo group, http://functionalrewards.com #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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Q5 What is a BAT set-up and how do you do them?
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grishastewart:
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A5.a The set-ups are where the most learning happens. It's important that they are set up to have a choice, likely to choose right. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A5.b BAT's done in two major ways - in set-ups where you have a helper or "undercover BAT" where it's just out in the real world. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A5.c For the set-ups, we don't tend to use food, and for undercover BAT, we do often use food. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A5.d I'll describe a typical set-up first (no food) and then go through the stages one would use for a walk using BAT. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A5.e BAT can be done all sorts of ways, but this is a good basic way.
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grishastewart:
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A5.f For simplicity, let's say we are working with a dog who has issues with a person, and wants that person to go away.
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grishastewart:
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A5.g Helper is stationary, the BAT dog is on leash, walked toward them up to their threshold. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A5.h Threshold is where they just start to get interested in the trigger, not freaking out. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A5.i Then you wait there until the dog looks at the trigger & makes a good choice - head turn, ground sniff, big blink, yawn. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A5.j Mark with YES! and then reward by happily walking the dog away, possibly petting, praising, encouraging sniffing. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A5.k The idea is to get them making good choices, over and over again, and giving realistic rewards, like safety. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A5.l If the dog looks like they are accelerating toward a bad choice (bark/lunge/panic), help them out. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A5.m Interrupt a 'bad' choice by calling the dog away, as subtly as possible. If you have to pull them away, do it. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A5.n Interruption is not meant to be a punishment, just a reset. So bring them away verbally or use body blocking, etc., if poss. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A5.o So after you successfully reward with distance + praise, petting, sniffing, etc. return to the approach line after 15-30 secs. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A5.p Repeat. If dog does a good behavior right away @ the approach line, move it 3 ft forward in next trial. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A5.q Take breaks as needed - any time the dog wants a break to sniff, let that happen. Sessions about 15 mins to 1 hour. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A5.r To review, the steps to remember are Expose, Wait, Mark, Reward. (whew, that's it) #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@grishastewart Wheee! That's awesome... #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A5.s Visual folks - there's a cartoon of BAT here: http://retwt.me/1Nuzl #barkoutloud |
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Bolonee:
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I have a very open yard w/chain fence. Can I try this with strangers walking by? #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Bolonee You might be able to try this with strangers by the fence, if your dog has a space where they can see people & not react. #barkoutloud |
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kimhalligan1:
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I find closest to setup BATs are outside of dog park for me. Where my dog can approach & walk away safely. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Bolonee If not, then start off with stage 1 BAT (click on sight, walk/run inside, treat) #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@grishastewart I need to ask a dumb question...How is BAT diff from desensitization in this case? RU giving them what they want... #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Me, too! RT @kimhalligan1: I find closest to setup BATs are outside of dog park for me. Where dog can approach & walk away safely. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@kimhalligan1 Outside of dog parks is great. Good location to practice, especially for fence-fighters. IF no off leash dogs. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@grishastewart Which is distance.... but at the same time desensitizing them to what is freaking them out in the first place? #barkoutloud |
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kimhalligan1:
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Stanley has got right up to fence after a few times happy to sniff dogs. He actually has greeted some outside of dog park after. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Mary It's only subtly different from DS, but because it's rewarding specific behaviors, & those increase, it's operant. #barkoutloud |
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Bolonee:
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where have I been?? Seems so easy!
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Mary And I think DS might get them used to it and then walk even closer, without the reward of walking away. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@grishastewart Okay, I get that... #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Bolonee Honestly, I wonder where this has been all my life. It does take time, but you should see progress right away. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Not trivial, but good info for dog's positive behavior. RT @Bolonee: where have I been?? Seems so easy! #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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It does sound easy. @grishastewart explains it very well. RT @Bolonee: where have I been?? Seems so easy! #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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It's faster than the other methods I've used. Something like 10-20 sessions & each session helps the dog handle more in general. #barkoutloud |
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Bolonee:
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I'm sure! She is such a sweet dog! Hate to see her so fearful!
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grishastewart:
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In practice, you need to be in the moment, watching the dog. And that can be a hard skill to get. #barkoutloud |
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hayhillo:
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Q5 Examples of specific behaviors - suggestions for us to look for in our dogs. (ie horse video where head down was rewarded) #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@grishastewart Can BAT work for reactivity toward a dog who approaches who is not on leash? #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Mary It can work, but you would need to make sure the dog is not put over threshold while you do it. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Mary So we practice all sorts of approaches - fast, slow, direct, indirect, on leash, then off leash, but fence between, etc. #barkoutloud |
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Bolonee:
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what is the threshold? #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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I am very impressed with my clients' ability to get it, though. They read the dog, the dog does it more, the easier it all gets. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Bolonee I think of the threshold as being the line between holding it together and freaking out. #barkoutloud |
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kimhalligan1:
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@Mod_Lorie With a reactive dog I found I was already very in the moment. Just needed to sharpen up on dogs signals. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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So when trainers say "under threshold" they mean the dog should not be overwhelmed. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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RT @Bolonee: what is the threshold? *The point just before the dog freaks out* #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@kimhalligan1 Touche' #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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I think BAT has a desensitization effect on the humans, actually. They also experience successful approaches to the trigger. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@kimhalligan1 Yes, seems you'd need to be able to read the dog's body language very well. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@grishastewart I think that's absolutely essential....cuz alot of ARF can be handler based/supported... #barkoutloud |
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kimhalligan1:
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@grishastewart Yes definitely has had a densensitization effect on me. Which helps the dog even more. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Lorie The main thing to get is the concept of "I'm done." Noticing when the dog wants out. Lookaways R a good start. #barkoutloud |
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Bolonee:
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I'm learning her body language, I think. She will also attack my other dogs if they get in her way during a "rampage" #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Bolonee Definitely good to read signals well there. And have Spray Shield on hand. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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Other questions/comments on Q5? Ready for Q6? #barkoutloud |
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kimhalligan1:
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@Mod_Lorie Also must be aware of whats going on around you at all times. Missed a dog coming down st today while talking 2 some1 #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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Here's a short clip of what "done" looks like: http://retwt.me/1Nuzq #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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Sure, I'm ready for the next question! #barkoutloud |
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hayhillo:
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I've found that spending time with other dogs, NOT my own, helps with learning to pick up on dog 'body language' #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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Q6. How can you do BAT on a walk? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@grishastewart Is it the ears in the vid, Grisha? #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@hayhillo Yes, I agree. That's why we have our Growly Dog class structured so people don't bring their dogs each time. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A6.a This is broken into 3 stages. Do lower stages if needed, higher stages whenever you can get away with it. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A6.b Stage 1: See Trigger, Click, Walk away, Treat. It's like 'Look at That' but adding walking away before treating. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A6.c I call treats a Bonus Reward, and walking away is an example of a Functional Reward. #barkoutloud |
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hayhillo:
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Sometimes we are too keyed into our own dogs, it's good to have a fresh perspective. Watch other dogs greet, play etc. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A6.d With treats/toys, walk away first, say 10 feet, then treat. Otherwise, dog may not notice the walking away. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A6.e BAT teaches ways to get what they want in that moment. What they want in the moment is space, not food. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A6.f They may regress to aggression if they don't realize that peaceful choices can provide the space they need. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A6.g Anyway that's Stage 1: Dog sees trigger, click, walk away, treat. Use this if the dog may explode if you just wait. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A6.h Stage 2 adds the choice part back in: See trigger, wait, click, walk away (functional reward), treat (bonus reward). #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A6.i Stage 3 is the same as with set-ups: See trigger, wait, verbally mark, walk away. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A6.j Use stages 1 and 2 if you need the distraction of food to help the dog make good choices. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A6.k Otherwise, do stage 3 (no food/toys - walk away & petting/sniffing ground reward) so the dog learns more about the situation. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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Mod_Hilary:
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@grishastewart All good info, but need to see. Am visually oriented. But I think I get the concept; it's good stuff! #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@grishastewart I think next ? is related: Q6: What body language do you reward with BAT?
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Hilary Did you see the video of BAT with a horse? #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A7.a The most essential thing to reward is the 2-step process of engaging with, then disengaging from the trigger.
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grishastewart:
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A7.b So that usually is: dog looks at trigger, then looks away, sniffs ground, etc. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A7.c They *have* to engage with the trigger first, in my book. So an ear flick in their direction, but it's usually a look. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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I will after chat. RT @grishastewart: @Mod_Hilary Did you see the video of BAT with a horse? #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A7.d After that engagement, then reward any peaceful choice: lip lick, head turn, look away, shake off, ground sniff, air sniff. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A7.e Some of those may just have to get praise, because the dog is not ready to walk away yet. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A7.f If you mark (Yes or click) and the dog is not easily coming away, just wait for the next behavior. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A7.g Or you may have to work farther from the trigger if there's too much magnetism to the trigger. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A7.h Walking away is only a functional reward if the dog easily does it. There's an ideal distance for that, which shrinks. #barkoutloud |
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hayhillo:
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Q7 So: Back to my Q re a marker; we're marking any 'calm' behavior that involves LOOKING at the scary thing. (?) #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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Bolonee:
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so I should not leave her alone outside so the trigger doesn't get out of hand? She's fine when out on walks. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@hayhillo Mark any 'good' response to seeing the scary thing. The look at the scary thing sort of starts the chance to reward. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Mary After the *look at* we mark any of the calming signals, pretty much. #barkoutloud |
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kimhalligan1:
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I'm hoping for more videos in the future of BAT - training your dogs on the street. Everyday BAT for ppl with dogs. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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Ready for Q8? #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Bolonee Correct. Until you know she's got the skills to handle herself, she is not to be left alone where she could freak out. #barkoutloud |
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hayhillo:
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@grishastewart ok, thanks, this is excellent, perfect! #barkoutloud |
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AndrewLedford:
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This reminds me of something I read that BF Skinner said about what I think he called algebraic summation #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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I like BAT because it doesn't create stillness, it creates a dog that can move about and handle (vs. only avoid) social situations. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Lorie Ready for Q8. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@AndrewLedford Can you expand on that? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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Q8. How can you tell if a dog is a good candidate for BAT? #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@AndrewLedford Algebraic summation? I was a mathematician before I was a dog trainer; seems like it should be in that field! #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A8.1 Functional reward's clear. 2. You can control FR. 3. A replacement behavior reliably earns the same reward. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A8.2 ARF dogs are almost always good candidates for BAT. Not predation, but fear, territory issues, etc. are great w/BAT. #barkoutloud |
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AndrewLedford:
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here is a simplified version, approach avoidance behavior and over time the approach increases the avoidance decreases #barkoutloud |
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hayhillo:
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@AndrewLedford incompatible responses... #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@AndrewLedford Got it. Equal but opposite responses. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@AndrewLedford I'll ponder that more using his terms, thanks! I think it's more like the locus of control that makes this work. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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Of course that's inside of the black box and Skinner may not have liked that aspect. :) #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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Q9? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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It's almost time to wrap up. How about one more "formal" question? #barkoutloud |
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AndrewLedford:
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part 1 =I have had a hard time tracking down where the term algebraic summation came from #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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Our last question...Q9 How can we learn more about BAT? #barkoutloud |
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AndrewLedford:
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part 2 but I believe it has something to do with an algebraic formula for the summation of a birds leg #barkoutloud |
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kimhalligan1:
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I like BAT because it helps my dogs & I & its positive. Thats good enough for me. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@AndrewLedford Here's what I can find: http://retwt.me/1NuzC #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A9.a My site: http://ahimsadogtraining.com/bat has upcoming seminar info and some YouTube videos. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A9.b I have a BAT seminar DVD for sale at http://retwt.me/1Nuqk It's a 1.5 hour seminar #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A9.c BAT Yahoo group: http://functionalrewards.com has lots of good discussions. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A9.d There is a BAT Telecourse coming up in August: http://retwt.me/1Nuqi (search that page for BAT). #barkoutloud |
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hayhillo:
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When are you doing your national tour, East Coast...? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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@grishastewart Good that you have a DVD and telecourse, as I don't know of anyone teaching it in the #Denver area. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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A9.e Upcoming seminars in Seattle, Texas, Chicago, & Maine. If you wants a seminar in your city, contact me at @doggiezen #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@hayhillo Still working on the Maine date, probably next summer. #barkoutloud |
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AndrewLedford:
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thanks, yes that is probably where I read it. Back then I did research in some called a paper book #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Next week, Grisha will return for a more advanced session on BAT! That's going to be really cool! #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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There's a directory on the Yahoo group with trainers doing BAT in various places. And people looking to pair up. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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I want to personally say thank you to Grisha for being our guest tonight! #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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Wow. Thanks, @grishastewart, for some really great information. Can't wait to learn more about BAT next week!! #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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Thanks everybody!! I have another one of these next week, so go out and practice and come back with questions. #barkoutloud |
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kimhalligan1:
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I found Grishas BAT dvd helpful. Also BAT & Grisha were mentioned in issue of Whole Dog Journal #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Grisha, this was fantastic! We all learned a lot of new things, and BAT is a great technique. Well see you next week! #barkoutloud |