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June 21, 2010
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Mod_Hilary:
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This week, we welcome Grisha Stewart, aka @doggiezen, from Ahimsa Dog Training back to continue discussing her BAT training method. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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Hello! #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Grisha developed Behavior Adjustment Training (BAT) 4 working with behavior problems in dogs http://ahimsadogtraining.com/blog/bat. #barkoutloud |
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lookwhatlabs:
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@Mod_Hilary yes it was awesome, really the most timid dog, made him feel safe and in control #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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This week, we would like to open up the chat for questions from our participants. So, The chat will be divided into three sections #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Part 1: questions about training scenarios, Part 2: questions about teaching others, Part 3: Other BAT questions #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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So, we'll start with part 1, where Grisha will intro the topic, and we'll open that part up for questions. Same with parts 2 & 3. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Last week's discussion is here: http://ow.ly/21tuG #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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Ok then. So the first topic is about scenarios using BAT, case studies. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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I'll go ahead and post some of the questions already asked. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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RT @2clickerdogs
Question: How long does it take the average dog to catch onto the concept of BAT? #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@2clickerdogs Even in the first session, it seems like the dog starts to catch on that his/her actions are causing the retreat. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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For those new 2 BAT, the main reward for dogs that have aggression, reactivity, and fear is usually increased distance 2 trigger. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@2clickerdogs I say they catch on because the behaviors we mark seem to increase in frequency. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@2clickerdogs Usually the amount of time it takes to get to a certain point will decrease over each session. #barkoutloud |
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2dogtrail:
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what are set up examples for stage 1 #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@2clickerdogs ex. the amount of time before we are within leash distance goes from 60 trials to 50 to 30 to 15 to 10 to 3... #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@2clickerdogs Expect something like 10-20 sessions before the dog really gets it, in many different situations. #barkoutloud |
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lookwhatlabs:
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@grishastewart was good to see your post on CPDT-KA group, or was it MAAPPPT? I forget lol #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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(done with that) - any questions before I go on to @2dogtrail what are set up examples for stage 1? #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@lookwhatlabs Thanks! That was the CPDT group. Feel free to jump in there to corroborate my post. :) #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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Ok, RT @2dogtrail whats are stet up examples for stage 1 #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@grishastewart Yes... how far should the sessions be spaced apart? #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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We tend to only use stage 1 for times when the dog has a good chance at going over threshold, like regular walks or small room. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@2dogtrail It helps, because the dog doesn't have a chance to fail. They learn less about behavior that way, though. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@2dogtrail Stage 2 better for walks if you can get away with it. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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And, I would ask others who have had exp. with BAT... how long did it take for your dog to "get it?"
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grishastewart:
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RT @Mod_Mary How far should the sessions be spaced apart? #barkoutloud |
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BalancedDogs:
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Define "stage 1" please as it relates to your statement: we tend to only use stage 1 for times when the dog has good chance to... #barkoutloud |
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2dogtrail:
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BAT with dogs that like some dogs and not others? #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Mary Sessions spaced far enough apart that the dog can handle it. I often do 2 sessions in a day, but usually 1-2 days apart. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@BalancedDogs Staged defined at http://ahimsadogtraining.com/handouts/BAT-basics.pdf #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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Stage 1: See Trigger, Click, Walk away, Treat. It's like 'Look at That' but adding walking away before treating. #barkoutloud |
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2dogtrail:
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so two 45 min session in a day then the rest walking and watching? #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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Stage 2 adds the choice part back in: See trigger, wait, click, walk away (functional reward), treat (bonus reward). #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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Stage 3 is the same as with set-ups: See trigger, wait, verbally mark, walk away. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@2dogtrail Rest of day is chill, hanging around the house or yard kind of relaxing. #barkoutloud |
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2dogtrail:
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yes i use look at that alot
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grishastewart:
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@2dogtrail It's easy to add this walk away piece before the treat. And they like it! #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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The stages are defined for walks. Set-ups are usually without food, just stage 3. #barkoutloud |
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icylibrarian:
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@grishastewart if the dog is very reactive at the trigger, do you just keep going, even if she is barking already?
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2dogtrail:
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i am watching for sniffing etc. i am working with a bloodhound the sniffs alot. do i still want to mark every sniff? #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@icylibrarian God no! #barkoutloud |
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kimhalligan1:
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My dogs already knew to look at me. Didn't take long for my dog to get it, BAT. Sometimes they need more time in certain situations #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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@grishastewart - you are using "click" but can "yes" be used? my dog is afraid of clicker #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@icylibrarian We keep them subthreshold at all times. You'd abort the trial if you got barking. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@2dogtrail Around the trigger, you do want to reward lots of sniffs. #barkoutloud |
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2dogtrail:
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thanks grisha this is awesome #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@2dogtrail But you might start to reward sniff + something else. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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Yes is a fine marker. #barkoutloud |
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BalancedDogs:
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"abort" = for a few minutes, several hours, a day? #barkoutloud |
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kimhalligan1:
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I say yes & walk away. I'll treat in the street for those extra special BAT moments with the dog. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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Is there a clue in the dogs behavior that tells you when to stop the session? Or do you just go for 45 minutes and then stop? #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Lorie Session length varies, based on dog behavior. Sometimes only 15 minutes, sometimes 1.5 hours. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Lorie Clues are increased stress, behavior getting worse, etc. So things like extra staring. Walking away 2 sniff gets a break #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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@kimhalligan1 @grishastewart When you say yes & walk away, what does that indicate? Does dog know it did well? No treats. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@BalancedDogs "aborting" a trial means walking a little further away to reset. Sometimes can start right away, sometimes mins. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@grishastewart So, evrything needs to be pretty well choreographed with BAT. And stick with trials. Can't combine w a reg. class? #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@BalancedDogs Sometimes just a partial retreat is enough, the dog now is in a better spot to make a decision. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@grishastewart Thank you. Makes sense. #barkoutloud |
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kimhalligan1:
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@Mod_Hilary When I say yes & walk away with Stanley, he's given me a signal, usually looks at me or looks away from dog or sniffs #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Mary The decoy doesn't need to be choreographed so much as the dog itself. We do Growly Dog class using BAT. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Mary You can also have a regular class going on and a BAT student is approaching/retreating from the group, if enough room. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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In our growly dog class, student dogs serve as each other's decoys. Takes some more coordination, but it works. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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@kimhalligan1 Oh, you walk away WITH your dog. Not FROM your dog. Got it. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Hilary Correct. You are helping the dog walk away from it's trigger and lending support. Can play, pet, etc. after retreat. #barkoutloud |
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kimhalligan1:
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@grishastewart Good idea. I know of outdoor dog class I can practice BAT with. Good to have different locations & dogs to work with #barkoutloud |
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BalancedDogs:
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How do you respond when dog continues to look back, but walks away without struggle, other aggressive display? #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Mary I've got that DVD you could see ( http://retwt.me/1Nuqk) & there will be a full day made-for-TV DVD this summer. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@BalancedDogs You mean dog is walking away but looks like they want to go back? #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@BalancedDogs If I'm visualizing right, it may mean that the dog wasn't really done. So I'd stop & let them gather more info. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@kimhalligan1 Yes, definitely good. Summer is a good time, lots of outdoor classes, agility trials, etc. #barkoutloud |
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BalancedDogs:
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@grishastewart yes, dog continues to look back but walks easily, no barking, growling, etc. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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Those of you with the DVD, if you could review, either on my site or on Dogwise, I would be grateful! http://retwt.me/1Ny3y #barkoutloud |
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kimhalligan1:
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Im having a lot of success with BAT outside of dog park. Stan is able to go right up to fence to greet dogs within minutes. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@2dogtrail Exactly. The "Yes" marks the head turn or whatever good behavior, and then you prompt them to come with you. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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I have also worked on taking myself out of the picture, so I will send a dog to their rug as reward (positively trained). #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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Sending to rug as reward also helps dogs who have issues around the house with kids. Teaches them to go to their safe spot. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@kimhalligan1 Awesome! #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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I had another question from earlier, will post next. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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RT @tacrabtree hound & crash noise in shower while asleep, scaring him out of bed, now hesitates to go in my bathroom #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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Can BAT work with separation anxiety? #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@tacrabtree Possible to just toss a bunch of treats in and he'll go in, then you're done. Could also do free shaping. (not BAT) #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@tacrabtree Could also train go to bed with bed in safe spot, then gradually put bed back in bathroom.
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grishastewart:
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@tacrabtree Here's one BAT way: The behavior to reward is approach to bathroom. #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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@grishastewart - now that you mentioned 'safe place' - any suggestions for when a dog has had somwthing happen & safe is not safe #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@tacrabtree Functional reward is to walk away from bathroom. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@tacrabtree Approach to some point near the bathroom, as dog is approaching, click, walk away happily, then treat. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@tacrabtree Repeat, gradually getting closer. If you get somewhere and he stops, you stop too. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@tacrabtree When he looks at bathroom, click, retreat, treat. Next time, don't go as close, since stopping meant over threshold. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@tacrabtree Gradually go farther in, still doing the same click, walk away, treat. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@tacrabtree Then gradually go fully in, stay a second, then click, walk away, treat. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@tacrabtree Then go in, do 1 positively trained trick. Click, walk away, treat. Repeat w/ more time in bathroom. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@tacrabtree I've done this without the food, that works fine, too, meaning just reward with verbal marker + walk away. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@tacrabtree But since you don't need natural interaction with the bathroom, you're probably faster using this version. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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I'll go on to RT @Mod_Lorie Can BAT work with separation anxiety? #barkoutloud |
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lookwhatlabs:
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would you use verbal marker for non-treat rewards, clicker for treats #barkoutloud? |
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tacrabtree:
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@grishastewart - he will go drink from toilet! LOL but looks at bed & walks away so reward the looking at bed is what you say
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grishastewart:
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I think when using it for SA, it's not so different from what many already do. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@lookwhatlabs Yes. #barkoutloud |
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lookwhatlabs:
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had asked also about BAT and territorial aggression #barkoutloud as in dog I saw today |
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grishastewart:
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@tacrabtree Exactly. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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For SA, you'd walk slightly away, then wait for calm, say yes, and return. Functional reward is mom coming back. #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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@grishastewart - fabulous - got it! This will take time be now I see hope thank you #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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Any more SA question before I go on to @lookwhatlabs? This is flying by! #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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I'll answer this one: RT @lookwhatlabs: had asked also about BAT and territorial aggression #barkoutloud as in dog I saw today #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@grishastewart No, thank you, Grisha. Similar to the BOND program that's pushed with Rimadyl :-) #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Lorie :) Funny. Yup, picture a rubber band between you and the dog and you are stretching it. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@lookwhatlabs I do BAT with territorial aggression a lot. What they really want is the other guy to leave #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@lookwhatlabs But they actually do pretty well with walking themselves away, too. It's good to teach, since other guy may not go. #barkoutloud |
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lookwhatlabs:
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@grishastewart yes this dog could not tolerate my moving a few inches at first #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@grishastewart Never thought of it that way... LOL. Guess it's a good acronym #barkoutloud |
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DaisyWunderDog:
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@grishastewart I like the rubber band description. A great visual.
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lookwhatlabs:
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@grishastewart did get some softer waggy behavior #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@lookwhatlabs I start with decoy at house (or out front) and student outside, approaching. Maybe down the street. #barkoutloud |
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lookwhatlabs:
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@grishastewart yeah like the mail people and delivery people that have to make it to the door etc #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@lookwhatlabs Good! #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@lookwhatlabs I find that they warm up to the protocol faster if they do the moving, and then gradually the decoy does the moving. #barkoutloud |
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lookwhatlabs:
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@grishastewart looking back, set up for first time really pushing envelope #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@lookwhatlabs Sometimes need stage 2 BAT for territorial dogs, does some classical conditioning, retreat = good. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@grishastewart Oops...actually meant BOND with Reconcile, not Rimadyl #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@lookwhatlabs Hindsight, huh? :) #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Lorie Yes, the one that's actually for dogs. :) #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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Was wondering abt that! RT @Mod_Lorie: @grishastewart Oops...actually meant BOND with Reconcile, not Rimadyl #barkoutloud |
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lookwhatlabs:
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RT @lookwhatlabs: @grishastewart so stage 2 is verbal marker functional reward?#barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@Mod_Hilary Yeah, sorry...too many R's to remember...LOL. Reconcile is SA drug, Rimadyl for arthritis/pain control #barkoutloud |
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lookwhatlabs:
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@grishastewart yes there was no moving on my part anyways with this dog #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Lorie Although this sort of thing is used with behavior problems in kids, called Functional Communication Training. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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Sorry to get off topic..back to BAT!! #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@lookwhatlabs Yes. Stage 2 is like regular set-up BAT, except there's a bonus reward too. I also usually use a clicker. #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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@grishastewart - we all know dogs learn faster than kids! #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@lookwhatlabs Got it. Well, you'll have some ideas for next time. #barkoutloud |
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2dogtrail:
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is it ok to use random dogs out walking if you don't have a decoy to your self? #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@2dogtrail Yes. We call that "Undercover BAT" Dogs behind fences are good, too. Or people gardening if people triggers. #barkoutloud |
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kimhalligan1:
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@2dogtrail Thats all I use, random dogs on walks. Grisha calls it undercover BAT. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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@grishastewart Please mention yahoo groups name, when you get a chance. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Lorie Well, I was thinking Ritalin, so we're all confused! #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Hilary Yahoo group is http://FunctionalRewards.com #barkoutloud |
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2dogtrail:
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so a fenced in dog park wouldn't be to many dogs as long as we stay under threshold #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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I finally remembered to put it on my site, too, so there's a link to the group on http://doggieen.com/bat #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@grishastewart LOL...I'm glad I'm not the only one :-) #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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Ok, time for part 2: Questions about teaching others #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@2dogtrail You would be on the outside of the park, and as far away as you need to be. Just watch for loose dogs outside! #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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The first part went fairly long, so we can combine this with part 3: Other BAT questions. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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Do you ever use behavior modification drugs (Reconcile or Clomicalm) with BAT? #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@2dogtrail That was your question about how to teach clients about BAT? That was a good one. I hope others in the group answer. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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RT @Mod_Lorie: Do you ever use behavior modification drugs (Reconcile or Clomicalm) with BAT? #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Lorie I do sometimes use behavior mod drugs. And herbs, and Thundershirts. Anything that helps the dog learn better. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Lorie I tend to recommend meds for dogs that are so stressed that there is no clear functional reward in that situation. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@grishastewart What herbs do you use? #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Lorie Meaning dogs that are panicked just in their everyday lives, or just by going outside to pee. #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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@grishastewart - lavendar calms mine #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Lorie I like the Happy Traveller combo, has St. John's Wort - but not if disinhibition is a problem. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Lorie Also Doggie Calm (oil with lavender and ylang ylang for the chest). #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@tacrabtree How do you administer? Is it a spray? Oil? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@grishastewart Disinhibition? #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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Info on doggie calm: http://retwt.me/1Ny3I #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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@Mod_Mary - I use the spray #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Mary Disinhibition makes them brave enough to get into trouble. Xanax, Buspar, many others can make brave enough 2 bite. #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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RT @grishastewart: @Mod_Lorie Also Doggie Calm (oil with lavender and ylang ylang for the chest). That sounds lovely - will try #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@grishastewart Thank you, Grisha. Good to know! (Thanks for the link too) #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@grishastewart Okay, thanx for that explanation. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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I have put Doggie Calm on all the dogs in a barking dog class and it shut right up! People seemed more relaxed, too. chicken/egg? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@grishastewart @Mod_Mary Yes, disinhibition can be a big problem with aggressive dogs. Be careful what meds are used! #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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Did I miss any questions? #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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@grishastewart: thank you - I now have what I need to get him back on tract. We were doing so well then pow - very encouraged now #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@tacrabtree Good luck!! Keep us posted, either here or on http://FunctionalRewards.com Yahoo group. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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@grishastewart Someone in a seminar mentioned spraying DAP around the room and objects b4 training class, & it helped a lot. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Hilary Yes! DAP is also good. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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My experience with DAP has been very positive, especially with mild anxiety. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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Comfort Zone: http://ahimsadogtraining.com/store/proddetail.php?prod=MCH-0133 #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Mary:
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@grishastewart Yes... Lorie has a good exp. with DAP #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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@grishastewart - I am a little concerned w/him being 140 lbs that the fearful would turn to aggression as he got older, this helps #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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With lavender, just make sure nobody has allergies (humans). #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@tacrabtree Yes, it's good to work on fear before it becomes aggression. How old is your dog? #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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Many dogs change from 1-3 years old, when they become full adults. #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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RT @grishastewart: With lavender, just make sure nobody has allergies. You are right it calms humans too - He just turned 3 #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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That's when a lot of my clients first start noticing aggression. #barkoutloud |
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kimhalligan1:
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My Vet prescribed Valerian Root standardized for my dog. Ive had some success with it. Lavendar for house at the least smells good. #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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@grishastewart - bloodhound mix not the lab in my avi! #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@tacrabtree That's good, that's he's made it to 3! Do still work on the fear. #barkoutloud |
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BalancedDogs:
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2 - 3 yrs is when most dogs are surrendered to shelters for same reason. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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My experience as a vet as well. RT @grishastewart: Many dogs change from 1-3 years old, when they become full adults. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@kimhalligan1 Yes, Valerian is also good. It's in that Happy Traveler too. #barkoutloud |
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2dogtrail:
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do bat session for 20 min to 45 2x a week and the rest of the not so long? still unclear #barkoutloud |
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kimhalligan1:
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I was wondering if Prozac for dogs might help for a fear agressive dog? #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Lorie Good to hear others' feedback on when you're seeing trouble. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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@grishastewart So what is Happy Traveler? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@kimhalligan1 Prozac is the same as Reconcile :-) #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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@grishastewart - every day - I dont ever want him to become mean - he is so sweet. I think the lab at 2 yrs old helps him too #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@kimhalligan1 It can, though I have also had clients get worse on it. They all react differently to different meds. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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This is more of a topic for @Mod_Lorie, though. I'm not a vet! #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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We're getting close to ending here; any other questions or comments for Grisha? And Grisha, can you post your Aug webinar link? #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Lorie Yes! And about time the dogs got their own prozac, since they were the guinea pigs. #barkoutloud |
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BalancedDogs:
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@grishastewart do you ever use Melatonin? #barkoutloud |
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kimhalligan1:
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@Mod_Lorie Thanks #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@grishastewart We talked about it a little bit earlier in the chat. Reconcile is the "dog form" of Prozac :-) #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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My site: http://ahimsadogtraining.com/bat has upcoming seminar info and some YouTube videos. #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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If anybody wants to do a seminar in their city, contact me with my main twitter account, @doggiezen #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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@Mod_Lorie - but if it comes down to it meds! rewards have worked so far, just didn't know how to address the shower crash, thanks #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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@Mod_Lorie Got it. That was a few years ago right, maybe 2? #barkoutloud |
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kimhalligan1:
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@Mod_Lorie I was wondering about that when you mentioned Reconcile ( prozac for dog) #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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@grishastewart Wow, Grisha, this was a fantastic chat! I loved last week and this week. Learned so much. Thanks for being here! #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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@grishastewart - thank you for addressing my problem, I get the picture now, thank you so much #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@grishastewart What was a few years ago? #barkoutloud |
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grishastewart:
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http://www.raisingcanine.com is the telecourse. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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We appreciate @grishastewart's insightful info on BAT, and all of your participation. Did you all learn as much as I did? #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@grishastewart Grisha, thank you for a very informative chat. Sorry to see it coming to an end :-( #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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@Mod_Hilary @Mod_Lorie @Mod_Mary - thank you for all your help too #barkoutloud |
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kimhalligan1:
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Thanks again @grishastewart for more wonderful BAT info. Its made walking my dogs more of a pleasure now. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Hilary:
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@grishastewart Can't wait for the telecourse, and I'll check out the CD. I am visually oriented, so that'll help! #barkoutloud |
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tacrabtree:
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@Mod_Lorie - yes there is hope!! Just didn't know what to do!! #barkoutloud |
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doggiezen:
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@Mod_Lorie Reconcile came out a few years ago, I meant. #barkoutloud |
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doggiezen:
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Thanks for the great questions, everybody. Twitter just kicked my other user name off! Too many tweets. #barkoutloud |
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Mod_Lorie:
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@doggiezen Ahh, yes. First Clomicalm (clomipramine) the Reconcile (fluoxetine). Reconcile is exactly the same drug as Prozac. #barkoutloud |